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Old 08-06-2017, 11:03 AM   #1
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Hello all,

I have taken employment at a relatively new non union air carrier that does not have an ASAP program.

I have not had any pilot deviations, however, mistakes happen and knowing in advance what avenues should be taken if/when something did occur seems very wise to protect my certificate.

I am aware of NASA reports but is this my only option?

Someone recommended VDRP but after reading the AC on VDRP it appears that except under very specific circumstances, VDRP does not apply to the individual airman, but to the air carrier.

Can someone clarify this?


Also, the new carrier is world wide in the broadest of senses, how are inadvertent pilot deviations handled when they occurred outside the USA by a USA pilot at a USA carrier?
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You are correct in that NASA ASRS is still available to you. VDRP is for the company only, not (you) the airman. When flying outside the US, 91.703 applies. You must comply with the rules of that "state" and ICAO Annex 2/SARPS.

The foreign version of the FAA (i.e. Transport Canada, DGAC, CAAC, etc) will be the entity that investigates PD's which occur in ICAO member states (foreign country). More than likely the case will be coordinated (through the state department) to the FAA IFO and/or your airline's FAA CMO.
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You are correct in that NASA ASRS is still available to you. VDRP is for the company only, not (you) the airman. When flying outside the US, 91.703 applies. You must comply with the rules of that "state" and ICAO Annex 2/SARPS.

The foreign version of the FAA (i.e. Transport Canada, DGAC, CAAC, etc) will be the entity that investigates PD's which occur in ICAO member states (foreign country). More than likely the case will be coordinated (through the state department) to the FAA IFO and/or your airline's FAA CMO.
Interesting.

So in the case of a pilot deviation in another state's airspace that got referred back to the FAA, would a NASA ASRS still apply?
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It is highly unlikely that a pilot deviation would cause certificate action, unless it was egregious and almost caused a catastrophe. Read up on Compliance Action on the FAAs website. This has taken the place of certificate action and enforcements for all but the most egregious or intentionally-reckless cases.
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Read up on Compliance Action on the FAAs website. This has taken the place of certificate action and enforcements for all but the most egregious or intentionally-reckless cases.
Has this new and kinder approach reached all inspectors yet?
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Interesting.

So in the case of a pilot deviation in another state's airspace that got referred back to the FAA, would a NASA ASRS still apply?
You can submit as many ASRS reports as desired. ASRS May not apply in foreign airspace, but that is for the legal folks to sort out. And yes, ALL ASI's receive training on the new philosophy. Assume positive intent... Nobody is perfect...
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Has this new and kinder approach reached all inspectors yet?
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Yes the FAA has fully implemented the compliance philosophy.
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Get a legal plan such as the one through AOPA. I don't care what anyone says, if the FAA wants to talk to you do not go in without a lawyer. They are not there to help you and I will believe the newer, kinder, gentler FAA when I see it. The same safety inspectors are there. A violation, even a minor one, is worse than a DUI in the eyes of many employers and once on your record is there for life.
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