TommyDevito

Interesting.

So can you please cite for us a pilot enforcement that has happened within the past two years where the cooperating pilot was violated? Do you have any personal knowledge of this happening?

Blackhawk

One more time.
As with a spouse that has been cheating for years, two years of fidelity does not make for a trusting environment. Or did you not actually read my posts?
The FAA has spent years tolerating and even promoting rouge SI's who made it their life ambition to destroy and in one well-known case even drive a pilot to his death and be cited by the NTSB and the DOT IG. But hey, we've been playing nice for a couple of years. So trust us. Ummm... yeah. Right.

TommyDevito

Interesting.

It's been explained to you by others that the FAA has introduced the Compliance Philosophy and that ALL Inspectors and ALL offices are REQUIRED to use it. It's even written into the 8900.1 guidance as well as the 2150.3.

Yet you contend that a rogue inspector will just go on his own and pursue a EIR (Enforcement Investigative Report). Let me ask you this, if this rogue Inspector was to push an EIR on say a pilot deviation where the PIC is clearly cooperating, how would he do this and stay within the guidance? Can you point out in the 8900.1 guidance where he has the latitude to ignore the Compliance Philosophy and pursue an EIR?

Furthermore, the Inspector has a Supervisor (called a FLM) who must approve the EIR and issue the EIR number. Are you again telling us the supervisor will also ignore guidance and push this enforcement?

Let's go even further. The Office Manager must also approve the EIR, so will he go against stated guidance as well in this scenario?

And even further: The EIR must go to the FAA Attorney to handle this. Are you saying that all these people below him will knowingly and purposely ignore written guidance from the Administrator and that the Attorney will also knowingly and purposely ignore written guidance?

Hmmmm, seems to me if all of these people in the FAA were to knowingly and purposely ignore their guidance in handling this then the pilot in said scenario and his lawyer would have a slam dunk in getting this enforcement thrown out. Wouldn't you agree?

So bottom line is this: The compliance philosophy is written into guidance that anyone who wishes can go read. No secret gotchas, no secret avenues to screw over defenseless pilots. There are also many safeguards in place that can prevent anyone from pushing forward on a violation when there is no cause (compliant airman).

And finally, as I asked you before, if you can show us ANYONE in the past two years that has received a violation while being compliant I sure would love to see it.

Blackhawk

What... you mean a FSDO ignoring guidance from the FAA and doing their own thing??? No way. Never happens.

Until those who attempted to be compliant in the past and were screwed by doing so have some recourse to have their records cleared I see the GA population trusting the FAA about as much as the general population trusts the IRS.

TommyDevito

So you are contending that the Inspector, the supervisor, the office manager, the division manager as well as the FAA attorney will all not follow their guidance as written, in full defiance of the administrator, to push forward a violation?

Right.


So in other words, you are clueless as to how the compliance philosophy works, you are incapable of reading the guidance that's made available to the public yet you cling to this myth that FAA Inspectors only want to ruin pilot careers and will jeopardize their own careers to do so.

Has it ever occurred to you, even momentarily, that the compliance philosophy, while based in SMS as well as "just culture", was put into place to prevent individuals from pushing forward any resemblance of an agenda and to insure fair treatment of the flying community?

And again you are totally unable to point to even one instance where the CP has failed in the past two years. Typical.

Blackhawk

Has it ever occurred to you that GA pilots have seen this crap before? That we've seen the FAA in action for years and are not about to believe some jokers that "All is well"? You keep harping on "two years". Let's talk about decades of abuse. You cheated on me for years. Sure, I'll trust you after two years of fidelity.

TommyDevito

When previously did the FAA implement a program such as the Compliance Philosophy and totally rewrite all of their guidance to insure it would be followed?


OK, so you have never even cracked open the 8900.1, have probably never even seen FSIMS and I seriously doubt you've even been to faa.gov, but you have this grandeous theory of how all these FAA types will put their jobs and careers in jeopardy to ignore written guidance just to do an enforcement. Really?

And of course you're totally disregarding the posters here who have real actual working experience within the program and they have told you essentially the same thing.

And I have asked you to point out how all these people could use their written guidance to circumvent the CP process and actually get an EIR out of an office, or even better yet please produce one pilot who in the past two years was subject to a violation and received an enforcement even after being fully compliant.

And in return you launch into inane diatribes of infidelity and other nonsense.

Have a nice day.

JohnBurke

I dont know if the poster to who you refer has spent much time in FSIMS and 8900.1, but I have.

All suspicion is well founded, and quite warranted.

Oh, the **** I have seen.

TommyDevito

Care to elaborate without the cryptic inuendo?

Blackhawk

Yes, I've been to FSIMS, faa.gov and faasafety.gov.

Again, all I hear is the last two years. What about the last few decades?

I've had safety inspectors tell me to their face that they did not care what was in an FAA order or what the FAA Chief Counsel wrote, they were doing things their way. If you didn't like it, tough. You learned to go FSDO shopping to find those who actually abided by the FAA regulations. Raising a stink would only bring undue attention to the complaining pilot.

We've seen a case where a FSDO hounded a pilot to death, was found as a contributing factor by the NTSB, then it was found by a DOT IG report that another FSDO covered things up in their investigation of the offending FSDO. What happened to those involved? They were promoted.

I know of at least one "rouge" inspector who loved to hang out at nontowered airports and violate pilots for right-hand patterns. No warning. No discussion of the FARs. Violation. Multiple, more than one pilot. Where is he now? Promoted, of course. Yes, he's one of the ones you claimed is gone, but he's still around. I'm sure he will find different ways to "do his job" and be the big sheriff.

So again, like a habitually cheating spouse pardon me if I don't suddenly believe the FAA has changed its colors after two years. Are all safety inspectors bad? Of course not. Most are great and I've had very good working relationships with many. But it has only taken a few over the years to make many of us very leery of the FAA.