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Old 11-05-2017, 09:32 AM
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Constitution did not guarantee the right to pilot airplanes (or drive cars for that matter). It's not the travel that's restricted (you can still take a horse or train, or walk), it's the operating of heavy machinery that might harm other people.
Actually the Constitution guarantees all rights. And it gives the federal government zero authority to regulate the operating of heavy machinery.

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In the era when the constitution was written it was perfectly reasonable to spend six months traveling between NY and CA.
When the Constitution was written no one was travelling from NY to CA.
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Old 11-05-2017, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
Actually the Constitution guarantees all rights. And it gives the federal government zero authority to regulate the operating of heavy machinery.
The Constitution’s “Commerce Clause” has been interpreted as a virtual blank check for government to do just that, and a whole lot more. Some argue that the Feds are overreaching, and some say their rules are necessary, but that horse left the barn many years ago.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Incontinentius View Post
Wrong. I have never been charged with a DUI.
Neither I, nor anyone else said you had been, nor intimated as much, nor would or should any of us care. I certainly don't. Thanks for keeping us informed on that, though.

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What if you were sleeping with the officers soon to be ex wife?
That would make you an idiot.

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What if you had agreed to meet her at say Dick's sporting goods to start an affair with her?
Still an idiot.

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What if her soon to be ex husband had a tag on her vehicle, on her cell, or reading her emails.
Much like taking off with insufficient fuel or too short a runway, this is avoidable. Don't be stupid. This isn't a pilot vs. cop issue. This is someone dumb enough to mess with another man's wife.

Also a poor idea to poke sticks in hornet nests, walk barefoot around volcanos, or go backpacking in Iran, regardless of whether you're a pilot.

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Suppose he had an off duty buddy follow the two of you? A private investigator?
Suppose you didn't do something so stupid? Anyone can hire a private investigator to follow you. If you're doing something that a private investigator can detect, then either A) be a bit smarter about not getting caught, or better yet, B) don't do it in the first place.

Again, don't be stupid. Problem solved.

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Its a hypothetical scenario and likely to happen in reality.
Only if you're stupid enough to go sleeping with a cop's wife.

It's not likely to happen to me, in fact not possible, but if it's happening to you, I'm having a hard time caring. One tends to get what one deserves in such cases, and one knows such a risk going in. While you're at it, however, I recommend against swimming naked in schools of electric eels, skydiving without a parachute, or attempting to set fire to cops on duty (or off duty). If any of those are likely to happen to you, don't do them, either, and your odds drop to zero. This is preventable, you see.

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This doesn't even begin to address potential meddling by a dirt bag employer with access to police or a relative working in the industry.
Does this happen to you, much?
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Old 11-06-2017, 05:40 AM
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The rest of your post I didn't bother to read.
This speaks more about your involvement here than anything else you might say, or hope to say.

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For you , yes...

But what of the 20-something, brand new CFI?

Perhaps you think all pilots are mature and married?
Married is irrelevant, but you certainly come across as a very early-20's type of character, with a lot of learning and a lot of growing up to do.

These issues you keep bringing up, that seem to be such a minefield for you, are simply not an issue for most of us who exercise a little better judgement and intelligence.

We're not paid for our monkey skills, but for our judgement. Based on your comments, whatever your salary, you may be overpaid.
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
Actually the Constitution guarantees all rights. And it gives the federal government zero authority to regulate the operating of heavy machinery.

When the Constitution was written no one was travelling from NY to CA.
I said " in the era". Overland transcon travel came about in that general era (1804 to be exact).

I think constitutional law is pretty well settled as far as the regulation of heavy machinery operators. If you want to argue that, I'm tuning out.
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Old 11-06-2017, 07:21 AM
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People are here to discuss DUI as it pertains to Aviation Law. Do you have anything to add besides calling others idiots and berating those who in your opinion are unintelligent and exercise poor judgement?
You haven't exactly been much inclined to listen to anyone else's 'opinions' if they differ from yours either MT. You are definitely in transmit mode and there is no receiving on your end.
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Old 11-06-2017, 09:32 AM
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I have listened and have even given resources to become better informed.

Are you also one of those who think that being in close proximity to your car with your keys could result in a DUI conviction?
I'm one of the ones that think you have certain good things to say but I can't get past your approach.

If you are really trying to educate - which I don't think you are, I think you have some bone to pick - then you should share your qualifications with the forum and change your approach.

I'm hoping you have some background in Aviation law (or law in general), but you are coming across as a disgruntled person who got in trouble and now have become some internet crusader with Google-Fu skills and think everything is some great conspiracy.
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:12 AM
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I notice you don't have an avatar yet, here's an idea...


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Old 11-06-2017, 10:30 AM
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And that pertains to the topic how?

(edit: for those looking for the above post from rick, he deleted it. I'm sure for good reason)

Trying to make the image display, should be working now...
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MedicalTruth View Post
Ok, well, apparently Rick doesn't want to answer.

But, JohnBurke and USMCFLYR have come to the rescue.

If anyone can find Case Law which shows a conviction upheld for DUI while being in a parking lot close to their car as definition of Actual Physical Control, I will happily apologize to Rick, John and USMC. Because as stated by Rick, and further justified by John according to math, "everybody" knows. Right?

I'll be waiting.
Dude, relax! Do some research if this bothers you so much. I don't think they care one bit if you apologize to them or not. They have their opinions, just as you do.
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