sinkrate3278

I realize that this is my second post of the day... Apologies :)

I can't find this answer in the AIM or FAR anywhere. But assume you just landed and are taxing off the runway. As you are getting off at the intersection there is an aircraft taxiing on the parallel right in front of you. If you cross the hold short line you are going to hit the other aircraft, and if you don't cross it then, well, you are parked on an active runway.

I had this situation happen to me a couple of years ago at an uncontrolled airport where I got off the runway to the right thinking this taxiing aircraft coming from my left would stop to let me get off. Unfortunately he did not let me, resulting in me having to make an evasive maneuver. Needless to say, the dentist in his bonanza faulted me for not letting him pass. I wish there were some regs for me to go by but we left the argument inconclusive.

So, do aircraft exiting the runway have right of way over aircraft taxing around the runway? Does it even matter if you're on the right or left?

If there are no regs to go off of, I'd think the common sense rule is that exiting aircraft have the right to get off the active ASAP.

trent890

I'd offer FAR 91.113 (g) as a possible solution to your situation.

§ 91.113 Right-of-way rules: Except water operations.

(g) Landing. Aircraft, while on final approach to land or while landing, have the right-of-way over other aircraft in flight or operating on the surface, except that they shall not take advantage of this rule to force an aircraft off the runway surface which has already landed and is attempting to make way for an aircraft on final approach. When two or more aircraft are approaching an airport for the purpose of landing, the aircraft at the lower altitude has the right-of-way, but it shall not take advantage of this rule to cut in front of another which is on final approach to land or to overtake that aircraft.

featheredprop

I had the same thing happen to me but at a controlled field I was exiting the active trying to clear the h/s line when a flight school aircraft was taxiing right toward me. The taxiing aircraft with a flight instructor was taxiing very quickly aided by a 26 knot tail wind Instead of slowing down they turned with about 3 feet wingtip to wingtip clearance .The whole time with **** eating grins on their faces .


What ever happened to taxiing no faster than a brisk walk ?


Rant aside I think the plane exiting the active has right of way over other aircraft . The post above does not apply to ground ops .

featheredprop

Upon further I dont believe ground traffic has rules othervthan common sense and courtesy . In my case ground control was not aware of my potential situation .

trent890

Say again?

What part of "operating on the surface" does not apply to ground ops?

NoyGonnaDoIt

Read the part you quoted again - including what you bolded. The closest you get to ground ops is that a landing aircraft has the right of way over a taxiing one. IOW, the airplane landing has the ROW on the runway while rolling out. It still doesn't deal with what happens when the landing airplane gets off the runway.

OTOH, 91.113(d), (e) and (f) don't have any restrictions on whether it's in the air or on the ground.

NoyGonnaDoIt

Problem is that different people will have different views on what common sense and courtesy is. For example, above you said I would think exactly the opposite - that an airplane already on a taxiway would have the ROW over an airplane approaching the taxiway.

Consider a simple scenario at a pretty basic set-up:
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1112/00325AD.PDF

Airplane 1 landed on runway 16 and exits at C3. Aircraft 2 is taxiing southbound on C and is north of C3. I would expect 1 to wait until 2 passed before taxiing into C.

featheredprop

though jet lagged when posting i stillconcur the section stated does not include taxiing I am having trouble finding taxiing covered in any FAR's .. I guess common sense and safety covers ground ops

But when you have a " mexican standoff " between a plane taxiing to a runway and guy trying to clear an active runway the guy clearing the active should have the right of way.

So if my tail is still on the active do you still feel someone should press on in a rush to takeoff ??

USMCFLYR

I don't remember any rules from my early civvie days and haven't encountered a situation similar to the scenario discussed above, but in the military I remember (for most situations) the outbound aircraft had the right of way over inbound traffic when it came to taxi priority. Of coures I figured this was sort of a military courtesy on base since inbound traffic's mission was over and outbound traffic had fuel issues to worry about and range times to make. In NGDI's scenario I have to vote with aircraft #1 having the ROW. Of course a quick call on 122.8 from the aircraft taxiing south on C could be made and let that plane was is exiting C3 go ahead of him if he wasn't in that big of a rush. I was landing in KELP once after doing some work and was maneuvering for landing on a teardrop approach when I noticed two SWA jets approaching the holdshort. I knew that they would greatly appreciate getting out of there a little quicker and not waiting for my approach to landing, so I told tower that I could hold to the northwest for a few minutes and let them clear the outgoing traffic. One and a half 360s later I was cleard for the straight-in and all was good with the world!

USMCFLYR

featheredprop

here is the diagram
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/1112/00704AD.PDF

aircraft # 1 turns left off rwy 1 at alpha . Aircraft # 2 is taxiing southeast on alpha toward runway 1Aircraft # 1 is trying to clear the hold short line as a G 5 is landing .