PeezDog

This is a good question one that I have wondered myself. In my case, big aviation 141 puppy mill, they had ACR and self exam for everything except commercial. I also filled out an 8710. In my training there, I failed one stage check for commercial. Then I failed the EOC check ride for instrument, NOT a stage check. Busted a GPS approach I flown 50 times and a NDB I did just as many. I kicked myself for days. Then when I went back, we only covered the things I missed. This was the ride for the rating, not the final stage check. If I recall correctly from there and from being a 141 instructor somewhere else, there was a final stage check before they signed you off for the ride. I've always been under the understanding that since its an in-house check ride, its not recorded as a "failure", and thus you do not have to disclose it as a failure on an app and its not on the PRIA. Am I correct here?

xjtpilot

Air Carriers CAN request your 141 training records. You have to be careful on how you andwer a specific question. Most Carriers will ask if you ever failed a stage check, checkride, written test, PC, or any training event when you have a face to face with them. Be honest.

pitch mode

Is the PRIA the same as the Airman File?

inline five

Failing a checkride is not a cause for concern at all.

I think you'd do yourself a disservice by not disclosing it, because you can use it as a great learning opportunity and the interviewers love those things.

If you had failed multiple, multiple, EOC flights I might be concerned and probably better off taking the gamble that they will never know (you got nothing to lose...).

I too failed an EOC ride for my commercial multi under a similar situation as you. No 8710 was pre-filled, and no pink slip was issued. I disclosed it however I really don't feel they would ever have known. All the FAA sees, and what they report, is the end of course completion with the new cert issued. Airlines don't petition colleges for 141 training records, seriously guys, they have better things to do.

cartean

This is correct

tom11011

So a "pink slip" is never issued at this type of school?

puggle

As my 141 school says: If in doubt, report it on an application.

If they find out even if it is years later, they will and can fire you on the spot.

And just in case you were even thinking about it: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-b...9-18?link=sfmw

JamesNoBrakes

Correct, but remember the school could be doing PT 61 courses on the side or even have a 142 cert too, which reverts back to standard "checkrides", no end of course stage check, but a certification ride w/some a DPE/TCE.

rickair7777

Also, as fallout from colgan I recall the FAA was moving to start tracking 141 OEC failures as well as part 61 pink slips. I'm not sure the status of this, how it would work, of if it will be retroactive, ie will they require schools to enter data from past checkrides as far back as three years (that's how long 141 schools have to keep records).

My guess is that any 141 ride resulting in a cert/rating will be handled through IACRA in such a manner as to record the results with OKC.

Bottom line...don't lie. The only difference between failing a 141 EOC check versus a part 61 checkride is in your own mind. Employers will fire you if they find out. Don't believe the BS that 141 schools tell you about how you can't fail a checkride.

Pogey Bait

Make it simple. Just order your complete airman file from the FAA. This will include everything that you have ever mastered or not mastered as a pilot. This is what the airlines use or at least the same info that is available to the airline.