Boeing studies pilotless planes as it ...
06-09-2017, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Caveman
Cargo segment will be first to be impacted by AI. I suppose that's why you'll see most of the more "sensational" responses to discussions in forums like these about augmented cockpits from folks in that segment.
Couple three more hull losses will politically accelerate the development, and make the required infrastructure investments that much more economically viable.
The economic and error management advantages aren't mature TODAY for an AI augmented cockpit.
How long do you think that'll be though?
Hint-Why would Boeing who as a public traded company, beholden to shareholders, decide to invest Millions of dollars into this if it had no immediate merit or value? The answer...they wouldn't.
Anyone want to take a bet on when and which segments will address AI augmented cockpits in future CBAs first?
Couple three more hull losses will politically accelerate the development, and make the required infrastructure investments that much more economically viable.
The economic and error management advantages aren't mature TODAY for an AI augmented cockpit.
How long do you think that'll be though?
Hint-Why would Boeing who as a public traded company, beholden to shareholders, decide to invest Millions of dollars into this if it had no immediate merit or value? The answer...they wouldn't.
Anyone want to take a bet on when and which segments will address AI augmented cockpits in future CBAs first?
Exactly. Boeing designs aircraft based on the customers' demands.
06-09-2017, 03:48 PM
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Boeing studies pilotless planes as it ...
Originally Posted by BoilerUP
I'd take that bet.
Look at FAR 25 and the redundancies required in transport aircraft for...then square that with reducing redundancy from eliminating pilots.
Also consider the required reliability of infrastructure involved, both in airframes and ground equipment like datalink. How would MELs work?
Look at FAR 25 and the redundancies required in transport aircraft for...then square that with reducing redundancy from eliminating pilots.
Also consider the required reliability of infrastructure involved, both in airframes and ground equipment like datalink. How would MELs work?
It appears as though the world's leading aviation conglomerate has decided to take on your very questions and put answers to them. Might have to wait until next year for the answers though by the sound of the article.
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06-09-2017, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiplash6
That's exactly what I'm going to tell you... because a computer COULD do that.. and not submerge the aircraft in the process.
A computer wouldn't need to take time to ask the controller where are the surrounding airports; it would already know. It wouldn't have to call for and run checklists; they would be completed in a blink of an eye. It wouldn't have to take a wild ass guess on whether it could make a return back to La Guardia to land on a runway instead of on a river; it would know precisely how far it could glide given the state of the aircraft and the environmental conditions.
I'm not knocking Sully. He did a great job. Far better than most human pilots could have. But better than a computer? Nah
A computer wouldn't need to take time to ask the controller where are the surrounding airports; it would already know. It wouldn't have to call for and run checklists; they would be completed in a blink of an eye. It wouldn't have to take a wild ass guess on whether it could make a return back to La Guardia to land on a runway instead of on a river; it would know precisely how far it could glide given the state of the aircraft and the environmental conditions.
I'm not knocking Sully. He did a great job. Far better than most human pilots could have. But better than a computer? Nah
And what happens when the computer gets damaged? Or what happens when the computer gets confused? Or when the computer gets conflicting data input?
AI is still a few decades out from being able to handle things like this. Yes a computer can fly a plane including taxi point to point under normal conditions. So can a monkey to be honest about it. Flying isn't that hard of a job.
However when there is an emergency, or a critical decision has to be made, ADM, only a human can do that with the level of technology that we currently have. And humans will make mistakes and not have a 99.999999999% success rate in their decision making. However, until AI is perfected, there must be a human able to take over and make decisions if the need arises. In a few decades, that may not be the case. But for the foreseeable future, a human is still needed despite the fact that the technology can handle all normal operations on its own.
We don't really get paid to fly, we get paid to make decisions.
06-10-2017, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Caveman
Hint-Why would Boeing who as a public traded company, beholden to shareholders, decide to invest Millions of dollars into this if it had no immediate merit or value? The answer...they wouldn't.
Are any of those blended wing/fuselage designs headed for production? How about that swing wing airliner? How are Boeing's SST projects doing?
06-10-2017, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
And what happens when the computer gets damaged? Or what happens when the computer gets confused? Or when the computer gets conflicting data input?
AI is still a few decades out from being able to handle things like this. Yes a computer can fly a plane including taxi point to point under normal conditions. So can a monkey to be honest about it. Flying isn't that hard of a job.
However when there is an emergency, or a critical decision has to be made, ADM, only a human can do that with the level of technology that we currently have. And humans will make mistakes and not have a 99.999999999% success rate in their decision making. However, until AI is perfected, there must be a human able to take over and make decisions if the need arises. In a few decades, that may not be the case. But for the foreseeable future, a human is still needed despite the fact that the technology can handle all normal operations on its own.
We don't really get paid to fly, we get paid to make decisions.
AI is still a few decades out from being able to handle things like this. Yes a computer can fly a plane including taxi point to point under normal conditions. So can a monkey to be honest about it. Flying isn't that hard of a job.
However when there is an emergency, or a critical decision has to be made, ADM, only a human can do that with the level of technology that we currently have. And humans will make mistakes and not have a 99.999999999% success rate in their decision making. However, until AI is perfected, there must be a human able to take over and make decisions if the need arises. In a few decades, that may not be the case. But for the foreseeable future, a human is still needed despite the fact that the technology can handle all normal operations on its own.
We don't really get paid to fly, we get paid to make decisions.
06-10-2017, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Uh no... that's not how it works. I love Star Trek as much as the next nerd but their portrayal of economics is completely off.
Someone has to design the AI, the machines, build them, test them, install them, monitor them, and repair them. Those are all new jobs.
Someone has to design the AI, the machines, build them, test them, install them, monitor them, and repair them. Those are all new jobs.
The majority of the world's employees are in the unskilled labor category and unskilled (and most skilled) labor jobs will eventually be automated away
Ultimately, Universal Basic Income will be "how it works".....it will have to be.
06-10-2017, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 742Dash
Yes, they would and they do. Large companies often do R&D on the fringes of technology for the same reason that automotive companies go racing. It is a form of training for young engineers, it might throw off some technology that is useful on the real products, it generates publicity and.... you never know.
Are any of those blended wing/fuselage designs headed for production? How about that swing wing airliner? How are Boeing's SST projects doing?
Are any of those blended wing/fuselage designs headed for production? How about that swing wing airliner? How are Boeing's SST projects doing?
Good point
06-10-2017, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Ludicrous Speed
Ultimately, Universal Basic Income will be "how it works".....it will have to be.
06-10-2017, 06:27 AM
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Large companies often do R&D on the fringes of technology for the same reason that automotive companies go racing. It is a form of training for young engineers, it might throw off some technology that is useful on the real products, it generates publicity and.... you never know.
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