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Old 08-08-2017 | 08:17 PM
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Just think how pilots used to talk about flying in clouds, using autopilot or letting an airplane autoland. It is going to take awhile to get there, but I'm confident it will. Snow blocking the street lines, they can always put metal chips in the paint so cars stay in their lane using nfc type tech. Don't think for one second that a computer would be less capable of maintaining control in the snow. They have more sensitive sensors and just more data in general to let them know well before they start to skid. It's a matter of time. Start preparing yourself for it now.
Not the problem with automation.
Here's the two problems:
1-The plane is controlled via a link of some kind. The link is accidentally broken, or intentionally broken, or taken over.
2-The plane is autonomous, and the computers either quit, or they decide to "911".

I can see having one pilot and AI working together, so the human can fix a situation that isn't fixable by a computer, or the human can take over, if something goes very wrong with the AI control of the aircraft. Or, the human could operate the aircraft, assisted by the AI to prevent a stupid human trick.
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Old 08-03-2018 | 06:53 PM
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So will I be wearing the O2 mask 95-98% of the time then?
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Old 08-10-2018 | 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Not the problem with automation.
Here's the two problems:
1-The plane is controlled via a link of some kind. The link is accidentally broken, or intentionally broken, or taken over.
2-The plane is autonomous, and the computers either quit, or they decide to "911".

I can see having one pilot and AI working together, so the human can fix a situation that isn't fixable by a computer, or the human can take over, if something goes very wrong with the AI control of the aircraft. Or, the human could operate the aircraft, assisted by the AI to prevent a stupid human trick.
Those are technical problems. The chain of trust, authentication, and even multiple party verification of commands can be maintained with cryptography. Spoofed signals (even from a suicidal pilot) can be defeated. The computer can be programmed to execute a fail-safe if it detects something fishy. The engineering is tedious yet trivial.

But we don't trust humans. We trust motives such as greed and self preservation. Taking a pilot out of the cockpit doesn't mean we're trusting a machine. It means we're trusting different motives. I'd sooner trust a machine than the motives of a man in the ground. So I say it's either 1) two pilots, 2) one pilot, one ground controller, and one non-overridable on-board autonomous computer with fail-safes for command disagreement or authentication failures, or 3) a totally autonomous on-board computer.
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Old 08-10-2018 | 06:42 AM
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Yet, every time there is a thunderstorm, my hard drive fries.
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Old 08-10-2018 | 08:17 AM
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Yet, every time there is a thunderstorm, my hard drive fries.
Everytime?!
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Old 08-10-2018 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by m3113n1a1
Everytime?!
Well, twice. H/P All-in One
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Old 08-10-2018 | 09:56 AM
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I’m guessing it’s an SSD. They don’t take kindly to power losses. They work fine in laptops because of the battery. A battery back up will save your drive.
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Old 08-10-2018 | 11:02 AM
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Press release: “Acme Airlines deeply regrets the unforseeable electronic glitch that caused this crash. In sympathy for the victims and their families, our CEO shot three nerds.”
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Old 08-10-2018 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by uboatdriver
I’m guessing it’s an SSD. They don’t take kindly to power losses. They work fine in laptops because of the battery. A battery back up will save your drive.
I thank you for that.
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Originally Posted by fadec
Those are technical problems. The chain of trust, authentication, and even multiple party verification of commands can be maintained with cryptography. Spoofed signals (even from a suicidal pilot) can be defeated. The computer can be programmed to execute a fail-safe if it detects something fishy. The engineering is tedious yet trivial.

But we don't trust humans. We trust motives such as greed and self preservation. Taking a pilot out of the cockpit doesn't mean we're trusting a machine. It means we're trusting different motives. I'd sooner trust a machine than the motives of a man in the ground. So I say it's either 1) two pilots, 2) one pilot, one ground controller, and one non-overridable on-board autonomous computer with fail-safes for command disagreement or authentication failures, or 3) a totally autonomous on-board computer.
There are decisions I make on the line, that could never be programmed into an autonomous system. On time departure performance would basically drop to zero in a full auto aircraft. An AI can fly the plane from gate to gate, respond to any flight emergency, but it can't make management decisions that keep the airline running smoothly. So there always has to be a human upfront. Physically flying the aircraft, and most ATC functions are coming to end in the future, when that happens, depends on the government.
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