Should we be concerned for our future?
03-01-2022 | 08:45 AM
#622
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Ask any teacher of European history. Since first recorded times, their history is replete with one side selling out another. When I was stationed in Germany the nearest village spoke a slightly different dialect than the next nearest (not quite 3 kilometers away). Historically, one village had been Catholic and one had been Protestant and for three or four hundred years after the Protestant Reformation neither village had commerce with or had even spoken to the other and their languages had drifted apart.
Then there were areas like Saarbrucken which had been briefly independent, changed back and forth from French to German generally being near destroyed in the process since the Thirty Years War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saarbr...onal_relations
All of Europe is a place with simmering old grudges papered over by compromises that always left someone unhappy. There was a bitter loser in every war - sometimes several - and an incredible number of wars over the centuries, many where the winners massacred the losers - man, woman, and child.
People talk about separatist movements in the US - Texas wanting to raise the Lone Star again and such - they ain’t seen nothin’. Europe is replete with separatist movements. The Basques, the Catalonians, the Scots, the Irish, heck - more than I can remember:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ents_in_Europe
Each nursing ancient grudges and hatred, many quite legitimate.
Then there were areas like Saarbrucken which had been briefly independent, changed back and forth from French to German generally being near destroyed in the process since the Thirty Years War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saarbr...onal_relations
All of Europe is a place with simmering old grudges papered over by compromises that always left someone unhappy. There was a bitter loser in every war - sometimes several - and an incredible number of wars over the centuries, many where the winners massacred the losers - man, woman, and child.
People talk about separatist movements in the US - Texas wanting to raise the Lone Star again and such - they ain’t seen nothin’. Europe is replete with separatist movements. The Basques, the Catalonians, the Scots, the Irish, heck - more than I can remember:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ents_in_Europe
Each nursing ancient grudges and hatred, many quite legitimate.
Im a first generation American born of an Italian mother, but Italian by border only.
In 1918 after the war, the borders were redrawn and former South Tyrol of Austria was annexed into Italy.
The German dialect they spoke was outlawed, the Italian language was mandated, all town names were Italianised and they imported southern Italians by force.
First the Fascists, then the Nazis.
Before 1942 they were seen as non-Germans and were “given opportunity” to move to Poland. Those that remained then became fodder for conscription into the German army.
When the war ended they expected to be reunified with Austria but deals were made and delays were had.
The region became Trento Alto Adige, and uprisings occurred.
Now, they are an autonomous community within Italy. They have their language back (it’s still 80% or more ethnically Tyrolean), the province is now named Südtirol (only your Pinot Grigio says Trento Alto Adige), and now they are the money makers for all of Italy, so no way they are going to be back in Austria.
Call my mom an Italian and you have a fight on your hands. And she will chew you out in Italian, or English, Spanish, or German.
These kinds of issues are all over Europe.
03-01-2022 | 10:18 AM
#623
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Probably no worse than a pause... high oil $ will drive exploration and production so it will settle out eventually. Very few oil producing nations will cooperate with RU to create artificial pain for the west.
Also hedges are a factor, not sure who has what hedges these days.
Also hedges are a factor, not sure who has what hedges these days.
03-01-2022 | 10:22 AM
#624
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Don’t forget, the Poles stood up to Lenin’s army in 1920, repelling them in the “Miracle on the Vistula”. Poles hate Russians. My family is from outside Lviv and they hate the Russians with similar passion. Whole generation of men were wiped out in the WW II.
03-01-2022 | 10:22 AM
#625
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And with enough economic pain they'll either bend to the will of the people, or lose the next election.
And also plenty of overseas production... oil is a global commodity, a change in price/supply anywhere affects everywhere (a few exceptions for special cases involving sanctions). OPEC, at al are now cautious about driving prices too high for too long... they realize that if they drive consumers to other energy sources (or reduced energy use), those consumers probably aren't coming back.
03-01-2022 | 12:29 PM
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Obviously while under Russian control that bit of history was not taught in the schools.
During the USA invasion of Iraq I used that bit of history a few times to draw comparisons of spreading Democracy by point of a gun to Lenin's attempt to spread the Revolution in the same manner.
None of my business, but did your family identify as Polish, Ukrainian or some other group? Lwow/Lviv area civil war at end of WW2 was especially gruesome.
03-01-2022 | 12:42 PM
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I’m sure you’re not trying to be pedantic here; the general point is that the federal government has a huge say on if private companies are allowed to do so.
No leases on federal lands to exploit energy, no authorizations to use pipelines to transport it in a cost effective way, etc.
It’s so obvious that I think I must have missed your point.
Oil is the lifeblood of the airlines, full stop. At some point, it gets too expensive and airlines start disappearing.
No leases on federal lands to exploit energy, no authorizations to use pipelines to transport it in a cost effective way, etc.
It’s so obvious that I think I must have missed your point.
Oil is the lifeblood of the airlines, full stop. At some point, it gets too expensive and airlines start disappearing.
03-01-2022 | 12:56 PM
#629
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I’m sure you’re not trying to be pedantic here; the general point is that the federal government has a huge say on if private companies are allowed to do so.
No leases on federal lands to exploit energy, no authorizations to use pipelines to transport it in a cost effective way, etc.
It’s so obvious that I think I must have missed your point.
Oil is the lifeblood of the airlines, full stop. At some point, it gets too expensive and airlines start disappearing.
No leases on federal lands to exploit energy, no authorizations to use pipelines to transport it in a cost effective way, etc.
It’s so obvious that I think I must have missed your point.
Oil is the lifeblood of the airlines, full stop. At some point, it gets too expensive and airlines start disappearing.
I give it about 30 more days and you we will see the airlines start pumping the brakes on any growth. Most like SWA are just trying to get back to 2019 employee levels. As soon as Airlines start feeling the cash crunch first thing do is try to shrink to get that profit margin back up. This time will be no different.
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