Climategate
#131
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From: 767 FO
That is the point, turns out all the "peer reviewed" climate data has just been an opinion.
#132
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From: electron wrangler
I believe in peer reviewed science. Nothing so far has shaken my confidence in the rigor of the scientific method.
#133
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From: 767 FO
Is it your opinion that there is no link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer? Despite the huge amounts of money that large corporations have spent to obfuscate and delay the acceptance of that science, hardly anyone still believe it. Maybe you're one of those.
I believe in peer reviewed science. Nothing so far has shaken my confidence in the rigor of the scientific method.
I believe in peer reviewed science. Nothing so far has shaken my confidence in the rigor of the scientific method.
#134
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From: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
By the way, I like your cigarette example-when they were found to be dangerous the government really embraced the business as a revenue maker for the tax coffers. They make(take) far more in that business than the tobacco companies. Ironic, isn't it?
#135
No, sorry. Al Gore invented the internet. He did however make several million dollars off the global warming scam and I agree, should be a NC resident in Buckner, NC along with Bernie Madoff.
Just my two cents, devalued to $ .01009877 after the market closed.
Just my two cents, devalued to $ .01009877 after the market closed.
#136
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From: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
"What no one is talking about is that he has also become a stunningly successful businessman--and that has fueled his comeback. Since his nonelection, Gore has become a millionaire many times over, bringing him, in financial terms, shoulder to shoulder with the C-suite denizens he used to hit up for campaign cash. In addition to the steady flow of six-figure speaking gigs, he has become an insider at two of the hottest companies on the planet: at Google, where he signed on as an adviser in 2001, pre-IPO (and received stock options now reportedly worth north of $30 million), and at Apple, where he joined the board in 2003 (and got stock options now valued at about $6 million). He enjoyed a big payday as vice chairman of an investment firm in L.A., and, more recently, started a cable-television company and an asset-management firm, both of which are becoming quiet forces in their fields.
Financial disclosure documents released before the 2000 election put the Gore family's net worth at $1 million to $2 million. After years of public service--and four kids needing high-priced educations--Al and Tipper used to fret occasionally about money. Not anymore. They have a new multimillion-dollar home in a tony section of Nashville and a family home in Virginia, and have recently bought a multimillion-dollar condo at the St. Regis condo/hotel in San Francisco. Available data indicate a net worth well in excess of $100 million."
Full disclosure here:Al Gore's $100 Million Makeover - Current TV - Generation Investment Management - An Inconvenient Truth | Fast Company
#137
As the atmosphere gets warmer, more moisture evaporates and is allowed to be suspended in the air. When the air cools, it condenses out as snow.
Since the United States represents around 2% of the Earth's surface, you shouldn't draw any conclusions because it happens to be cold in February. "Global warming," "climate change" and "global climate destablization" are all descriptive terms for the pendulum swinging further towards the extremes. The "warm" will get warmer and the "cools" cooler.
It's official now, although Fox viewers haven't heard, the last decade was the warmest on record.
2000s warmest decade on record, government reports - Yahoo! News
Since the United States represents around 2% of the Earth's surface, you shouldn't draw any conclusions because it happens to be cold in February. "Global warming," "climate change" and "global climate destablization" are all descriptive terms for the pendulum swinging further towards the extremes. The "warm" will get warmer and the "cools" cooler.
It's official now, although Fox viewers haven't heard, the last decade was the warmest on record.
2000s warmest decade on record, government reports - Yahoo! News
FOXNews.com - Global Warming in Last 15 Years Insignificant, U.K.'s Top Climate Scientist Admits
I'm sorry young man, the science isn't settled. The earth has been cooling since 1995.
#138
Lots of people here claim that the science isn't settled, and then proceed to explain how their opinion is right because they found a study/conspiracy/profiteer that proves their point of view is right.
In the end, the debate will not be settled until hundreds of peer reviewed and governmental studies come to a similar conclusion. That happened a few years ago, but the climategate catastrophe and the backlash from “An Inconvenient Truth” have caused many to review previously accepted studies with a more skeptical eye. Also, previous studies ignored by peer review journals are being looked at again because many feel they were ignored because they did not support climate change. Science is not immune of mistakes, but overtime, it has not failed. We are in one of those rare moments in history where the scientific community might change course that could dictate how humans will live for the next century, but it is too early to tell which way the scientific community will turn.
#139
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From: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken
If it was purely a matter of science, not much would be said and there would be little to worry about, but the whole thing has turned into a three ring circus with a very powerful stench of mendacity.
One of our most valuable tools is an accurate BS detector and it should always go to high warble whenever anyone promises deliverance if we will just hand over control of our money and our lives.
H. L. Mencken
If it was purely a matter of science, not much would be said and there would be little to worry about, but the whole thing has turned into a three ring circus with a very powerful stench of mendacity.
One of our most valuable tools is an accurate BS detector and it should always go to high warble whenever anyone promises deliverance if we will just hand over control of our money and our lives.
Last edited by jungle; 02-16-2010 at 11:00 AM.
#140
If the science isn't settled, then why do you state that the earth is in a cooling period? There is money to be made on both sides, so there is a lot of misleading information out there. A simple search on the internet can get some sources that show the earth is cooling and some sources that the earth is warming.
Lots of people here claim that the science isn't settled, and then proceed to explain how their opinion is right because they found a study/conspiracy/profiteer that proves their point of view is right.
In the end, the debate will not be settled until hundreds of peer reviewed and governmental studies come to a similar conclusion. That happened a few years ago, but the climategate catastrophe and the backlash from “An Inconvenient Truth” have caused many to review previously accepted studies with a more skeptical eye. Also, previous studies ignored by peer review journals are being looked at again because many feel they were ignored because they did not support climate change. Science is not immune of mistakes, but overtime, it has not failed. We are in one of those rare moments in history where the scientific community might change course that could dictate how humans will live for the next century, but it is too early to tell which way the scientific community will turn.
Lots of people here claim that the science isn't settled, and then proceed to explain how their opinion is right because they found a study/conspiracy/profiteer that proves their point of view is right.
In the end, the debate will not be settled until hundreds of peer reviewed and governmental studies come to a similar conclusion. That happened a few years ago, but the climategate catastrophe and the backlash from “An Inconvenient Truth” have caused many to review previously accepted studies with a more skeptical eye. Also, previous studies ignored by peer review journals are being looked at again because many feel they were ignored because they did not support climate change. Science is not immune of mistakes, but overtime, it has not failed. We are in one of those rare moments in history where the scientific community might change course that could dictate how humans will live for the next century, but it is too early to tell which way the scientific community will turn.


