JohnBurke

That took me by surprise. I didn't look at the dates, just clicked back a few pages and there he was posting...then I looked at the date. Sad.

Mesabah

The reason they destroyed their credibility is because they tried to pin climate change on CO2, and it simply isn't true. The rise in temperatures is clearly linked to other industrial gases, such as sulfur hexafluoride, as well as any hydrofluorocarbon really. This is why the climate models with a CO2 bias failed so miserably.



The irony here is that it's not your car that is raising temperatures, it's the manufacturing of your solar panels that is.

Pretty much most of the climate change gases comes from China.

JamesNoBrakes

i'm not sure that's fair, if you look at anything, medical field, general science, technology, etc., you will always find people on the fringes that are either totally wrong, or faking something. Really, you'll get the entire spectrum of the sample size is large enough. The question IMO is if those people are or were given more "due" than they are owed. Is it simply confirmation bias once a few people heard "what they wanted to hear" and then simply ignored the overwhelming majority? It also makes for a great story no matter what, that there is someone or something out there that is questioning the status quo. It's an even better story when they turn out to be right, but for sheer sensationalism, these people on the fringes will likely be "magnified" in media and other realms.

It's similar to space-program/moon lander deniers. How many of these hold an aerospace engineering degree? Do you need a degree to know whether or not we went to the moon? No, I think I can trust the majority of aerospace engineers to be telling us that the science and math is correct. I know and have talked to plenty of climatologists and meteorologists and the notion that these people are getting huge payoffs as part of some huge conspiracy is ridiculous, but again, some of these things make for fantastic stories and real life is usually much more dull.

Flytolive

Egads. What do all these experts and scientists know? Have you published yet?

Mesabah

I haven't tried to get into the journals, that's not my profession, but I know from friends that the publishing process has become almost entirely political these days. That's how you wind up with articles on the 36 genders.

Show me one climate model with a CO2 bias that has been remotely correct, you simply can't. We are not arguing about whether or not CC is real, or man made. The models suggested the ice caps would have already melted, they were not correct, even though the predicted amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere are correct. There is even debate in the scientific community over the black body emission properties of CO2(Stefan-Boltzmann)

Flytolive

No they didn't. Obviously the global climate is an immensely complicated system. The specific effects are difficult to predict with precision, but the overall story was predicted and in some cases underestimated. Climate change is real, serious, man-made and CO2 is the primary green house gas. Those are not in dispute.

RhinoPherret

Well folks, its been settled and set in stone right here. No use studying or debating this topic any further then.
Now. Back to a truly more important issue; debating whether to wait for FA's in the ride van or not.

Mesabah

Actually, water vapor is the primary GHG, and the temperature/CO2 relationship is in dispute. Also, look at the chart I posted above, every single model predicted the temperature would be much higher today than it is.



Even if CO2 were the primary GHG, the main source of pollution would be bunker oil used in China, especially shipping, yet that source of GHGs was excluded from the Paris accords. Why does the left always target the US right wing as the main source of CC obstructionism, while they ignore, and put in policies that allow China to continue on this path. It's 100% political, it's a disgrace.

It's time to implement major environmental tariffs on these countries, you kill two birds with one stone here, stopping their emissions, and correcting trade imbalances. I have spoken to Republican leadership about this as the next logical step in the trade war.

badflaps

Have you thought about breathing less.....

tomgoodman

Revenge of the cows! We’re doomed!

https://www.popsci.com/cow-farts-are...han-we-thought