CincoDeMayo

Flying for a non union, no work rules start up in my retirement years. Pass

TANSTAAFL

The pay rates for F/O’s at the fracs are garbage. Worse than regional. A good 91 at NBAA avg would be the ticket but unlikely to get 15 hard days off a month. Conditions vary wildly depending if the acft does 135. They are paying DEC’s at Breeze $167hr. All 91 and most fracs are non-union as well

CincoDeMayo

$167? Dude, that’s exciting in 2022 for whom?

TANSTAAFL

Who said anything about exciting? All I’m saying it’s better than some of other alternatives mentioned. I think jobs you walk right into post airline making $200K a year are not just growing on trees. Ones that may half that are

David Puddy

Are people really expecting Spirit/SWA/UAL wages at a startup? Really? Has Breeze been around a full year yet? No doubt wages had better be competitive eventually to retain and attract good pilots - but do the wages have to be UAL wages at the beginning? Maybe expectations are a bit high for a brand new operation.

If you can get hired at UAL or Delta, you should go to UAL or Delta. If you want to be a part of a growing startup that maybe can’t initially afford to pay you Delta wages, Breeze or Avelo might work for you… Hopefully both Breeze and Avelo can eventually pay competitive wages to attract/retain good pilots - but don’t expect it for awhile since they are both startups…We are talking apples and oranges here - why don’t people understand that? If you don’t want to be a part of a growing startup that can’t yet pay legacy wages and benefits (some people do), then apply to Spirit/JB/any Legacy.

kevin18

I think it’s reasonable to expect equity at a startup as you’re gambling your career as much or more so by going with them. If they fold in five years you just lost five years of top tier pay anywhere else you go. As such it is not unreasonable, IMO, to expect alternate forms of compensation outside of wages that have the ability to increase long term compensation.

CBreezy

You cherry picked parts of my post. You can't fly at Breeze after 65. Why go there and make below average pay and have to start over at a Fractional at 65? I'll repeat. I would never choose Breeze over just about any 121 to include most regionals. And if I planned to go past 65, I'd go work at a place like Flexjet.

shortspatula

Wow imagine that. Going to the bottom of the spirit/frontier list swinging gear indefinitely doing red eyes. Frontier is literally hiring fresh ATP flight school grads because they can’t get anyone to go there. Or even better, go to a regional to be used and abused indefinitely for some bonus money. Makes a lot of sense! Or you can go to a place where you’ll be home every night and upgrade quickly making more than FOs at a legacy. Sure you won’t make 300k at breeze but you’re not flying 777s either.

emersonbiguns

Why would I fly 121 after 65 when I could start a free-range unicorn ranch?

bonvoyage

There are FOs making $12-15k a month here at Breeze and working 10-12 days. And home every night. But yea, it sucks. Don’t come here or the bonus pay will go away. Stay at GhettoJet