Forgive me but maybe I’m wrong. Don’t most aircraft to include the PC-12 have two wings and not one?

Also, are you really comparing the threat of an engine failure to the threat of a wing failing?

 

Mindless fear porn is mindless fear porn

being scared of flying in a PC12 is really odd if you’re a experienced pilot and understand aircraft

 

This is assuming the 2 pilots at the front of the PC 12 are competent and experienced, not cadet pilots...this especially matters at 2am in hard IMC in the middle of winter to bumf$# Lansing in Michigan.

Probably explains why only 50% of the crowd here has the balls to get on a flight with the above mentioned parameters.

I certainly wouldn't. (Ex PC12 pilot)

 

It is simple risk management and return on investment. I consider my ASsets to be worth over a million dollars. Now ask yourself if you think Nealman would be willing to put a million dollar asset on a PC-12 with a pilot that wasn’t good enough to work for breeze and send it off into IMC. What about one of his family members?

if someone wants to be brave and a team player by hoping on one of these planes and trusting the pilots then that is their choice. It simply means that you and Nealman agree on what your ASset is worth.

 

First off 2 people in front of a PC12, one is a low time kid who’s more a pax/student which IMO makes it less safe.

Also Lansing is a pretty big town, take it you live in an urban center?

Again, being scared of a PC12 flight is ether a irrational phobia or some half baked attempt to flex

*Has a ton of time in PC12s too




Dude lol.. do you think 1M worth is a lot?? Oh baby…


1M combined worth is middle class, a part 135/121 aircraft has to have insurance, and it covers middle class workers like you in the event of a crash.



I mean I hop in the back of regional airliners knowing how inexperienced and rote many of their ex ****ty 172 CFIs are, and I hop in the back of majors knowing they are mostly flown by the same people who used to fly the regional.

The average airline type guy I run in the FAA airmen’s registry comes back bare bones, ATP MEL, CPL SEL, expired CFI and that’s about that, that tells me they are more about the check compared to the flying and that’s A LOT of pilots.
The amount who care to go above and beyond and continue to grow as an aviator past their duty off is a SMALL number across the board.
Most airlines HR bots don’t even care about this and give more value to a 4yr degree in underwater basket weaving, or the bare minimum volunteer time serving crackheads soup.

 

Depends on whether you want to include the ultra wealthy who skew the numbers. The average net worth in the United States is around 1M, but the median is under 200,000, which is a far better indicator of where most people actually fall.

The difference is the those ****ty 172 CFIs earned a type rating for their transport category aircraft, completed line training, and are required to go through recurrent sim every six to twelve months. They have constant oversight from check airmen, line checks, and data monitoring. The system builds multiple layers of supervision and standardization around them.

Being an airline pilot is a full time job, especially for commuters and junior pilots. Many are also involved in union work, training department, and/or line training. None of that suggests a lack of interest in professional growth. A lot of pilots simply have no desire to go back to single engine pistons. They get their flying fix from the job itself.

 

The average middle class working person hitting 1M worth is not unique, It’s 2025, soon to be 26’, “starter homes” are nearing half mil these days


Uhh a part 135 PC12 driver is going to sim training and checkride every 6mo as well, they also have oversight from Checkairmen, CP, DO, etc

Many don’t have a union, they pop a ride and it might be walking papers.

You know thats standard for pretty much all working pilots right?


Union work has near zero stick and rudder, weather reading, etc it’s more administrative than anything else.

Watching others fly the box or plane is a little better, but not a whole lot, as can be witnessed when you get one of the senior guys who lives in the training center and he has to do his stint on the line, ohhh boy lol

Not sure how much of a flying fix sitting in straight and level with the AP engaged drinking nasty coffee and shooting the chit really is.


Thats a yuuge red flag “go back to single engine pistons”, if you think flying a single engine piston is “going back” that’s not good.


“professional growth” is something Becky in HR would say, I have no idea what that means, is it like “synergy” or “circling back around”?


There is much many work to live jet pilots could learn from spending time in a super D, J3, gliders, helicopters, etc, thinking you’re past that points to just how LOOONG a ways you have to go.



Good case and point, when we get a bad weather high cross wind day, the guys who fly that widebody like a extension of themselves and don’t seem remotely flustered, seem to actually enjoy the challenge, often it’s the dudes who enjoy GA on their days off


Compare to the guys who live in the training center, or the line pilots who “work to live, don’t live to work” and “don’t want to fly a plane on my days off” their voice often goes up a octave and you can see they are somewhat flustered, not saying it all of them but it’s enough to notice.

Just a different view I guess

 

the difference between you and many of the people you’re speaking with is that we have done part 91, 135, and 121 and thus can compare between all three. It looks like you haven’t been able to make it to a 121 yet which explains your ignorance. You’ll figure it out too if you make it to a major some day

 

And that’s where you’re wrong bub

Done the intl widebody deal, 135s, 91s, etc etc

 

You're definitely disconnect from reality

I've gone through both a training program at a 135 that included out of house sim training at FSI, and multiple 121 programs. They are not the same thing. I also know that not all 135's are created equal either, there are some that have just as rigorous training programs as the airlines. I'm not even trying to argue 121 vs 135, what I'm trying to say is it's disconnected from reality to say that the pilot sitting up front of an 175 or 320 are bad pilots with just a rote level of knowledge if they don't fly a j3 on their days off.

Is that supposed to be an insult? I really couldn't care less. Personally, I don't want to fly a piston single for multiple reasons. I fly with some people who love to fly GA and others that don't, some people live to fly, some fly to live, there is absolutely no difference in their flying skill.



None of this is close to reality.