Search

Notices
View Poll Results: Do you want to ride in a pc-12?
No, it’s dangerous
52.38%
Yes, more days off, it’s safe
47.62%
Voters: 42. You may not vote on this poll

PC-12

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-14-2025 | 06:26 AM
  #1  
Thread Starter
On Reserve
 
Joined: Dec 2024
Posts: 39
Likes: 8
Default PC-12

Thoughts?

In my professional opinion, there’s only a matter of time till a reservist like me gets forced to ride on it at 2 am, hard IMC, single engine over the Appalachians.

if the company can’t even deadhead me from Orlando to Vero beach in anything other then a 2011 Toyota Corolla with no a/c and a half baked driver, how am I supposed to feel confident they can send me in a pc12 safely?

(posted a poll, if it works)
Reply
Old 10-14-2025 | 07:38 AM
  #2  
On Reserve
 
Joined: Dec 2023
Posts: 73
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by EarningLocker
Thoughts?

In my professional opinion, there’s only a matter of time till a reservist like me gets forced to ride on it at 2 am, hard IMC, single engine over the Appalachians.

if the company can’t even deadhead me from Orlando to Vero beach in anything other then a 2011 Toyota Corolla with no a/c and a half baked driver, how am I supposed to feel confident they can send me in a pc12 safely?

(posted a poll, if it works)

New hire here. they actually do this? Why? I assume its for the virtual base thing?
Reply
Old 10-14-2025 | 07:44 AM
  #3  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Mar 2023
Posts: 645
Likes: 73
Default

CHS is pretty desirable. I’m sure they’ll get volunteers, it’s better than commuting. Some probably already came from flying PC12s. I’m just surprised that based on the job postings, it seems like a flow through program for lower experienced pilots. They made it seem like they were going to find the most experienced PC12 pilots around.
Reply
Old 10-14-2025 | 07:50 AM
  #4  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Mar 2023
Posts: 645
Likes: 73
Default

Originally Posted by flyingtiger4838
New hire here. they actually do this? Why? I assume it’s for the virtual base thing?
Because we fly to a bunch of cities with no regular airline flights, the company is going to be using PC12s to shuttle parts as well as crew to rescue broken planes. Its starting in next few months. It’s going to be a voluntary system where crews have to bid into it. We don’t know all those details yet. It’s going to be out of CHS.
Reply
Old 10-14-2025 | 08:05 AM
  #5  
On Reserve
 
Joined: Dec 2023
Posts: 73
Likes: 1
Default

Originally Posted by bluespoon
Because we fly to a bunch of cities with no regular airline flights, the company is going to be using PC12s to shuttle parts as well as crew to rescue broken planes. Its starting in next few months. It’s going to be a voluntary system where crews have to bid into it. We don’t know all those details yet. It’s going to be out of CHS.
I see. but in this case do they have a choice? I think VRB is getting AA service soon but not anytime soon.
Reply
Old 10-14-2025 | 10:50 AM
  #6  
On Reserve
 
Joined: Aug 2023
Posts: 118
Likes: 8
Default

Originally Posted by bluespoon
CHS is pretty desirable. I’m sure they’ll get volunteers, it’s better than commuting. Some probably already came from flying PC12s. I’m just surprised that based on the job postings, it seems like a flow through program for lower experienced pilots. They made it seem like they were going to find the most experienced PC12 pilots around.
Thats part of the problem. Theyll yet again bypass seniority by letting volunteers into CHS instead of more pilots.

This PC12 idea may come off as “innovative” but it’s actually a giant sign of a bad business model… the majors aren’t kidding when they say the LCC model will not last forever (they are actively killing it via loyalty/basic econ). Continue to work here at your own (literal) risk.
Reply
Old 10-14-2025 | 12:14 PM
  #7  
Excargodog's Avatar
Perennial Reserve
 
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 14,261
Likes: 259
Default

Originally Posted by leftapproved
Thats part of the problem. Theyll yet again bypass seniority by letting volunteers into CHS instead of more pilots.

This PC12 idea may come off as “innovative” but it’s actually a giant sign of a bad business model… the majors aren’t kidding when they say the LCC model will not last forever (they are actively killing it via loyalty/basic econ). Continue to work here at your own (literal) risk.
Some things become self fulfilling prophecies. If training costs are driven up by everybody bailing shortly after they get a major aircraft type and a year off IOE, it’s going to have an effect on the bottom line that will hurt the business model.

On the other hand, the three CAs at NK who advised me early on that I had too little seniority to survive the deep cuts that were coming, and that if they were me they’d jump to a legacy but they personally had too much seniority to leave…
They figured at worst there would be a merger with an ugly SLI.

I’ve now written LORs on the last of all three of those guys, and two of the three have CJOs at my legacy and the third is hoping to get a CJO at any one of the three legacies he’s now trying to jump to. Seniority is great for QOL…until it isn’t.

Life is always a roll of the dice. All you can do is make the best guess you can and act accordingly.
Reply
Old 10-14-2025 | 01:05 PM
  #8  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Jan 2024
Posts: 902
Likes: 158
Default

Pc12 has an excellent safety record with professional crews. There are some owner-operator hijinks like the 16 or whatever killed in a single crash…. But the non-91 record is really really good
Reply
Old 10-14-2025 | 01:35 PM
  #9  
On Reserve
 
Joined: May 2022
Posts: 38
Likes: 6
Default

The quals for the capt position are the same for an FO at breeze. Who the heck are we getting to fly those things if they aren’t taking a 121 fo job…
Reply
Old 10-14-2025 | 05:51 PM
  #10  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Mar 2023
Posts: 645
Likes: 73
Default

Originally Posted by leftapproved
it’s actually a giant sign of a bad business model… .
There’s obviously nothing bad about it otherwise we wouldn’t be here 4 years later and growing. At the end of the day we are still building an airline, there’s a consensus that this A220 fleet support is needed, not like we have a choice anyways, other than to leave.
Reply

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices