Bahamasflyer

Sure I understand. The difference between yourself and JB is that you can get your point across without being condescending and arrogant.

Silver02ex

How many of your co-workers probably tried drugs just once or more in college, under age drinking and so on, that you might think is a great pilot or a friend? The difference is they didn't get caught and this guy did. I don't agree with what he did but, i'm sure there are others that did the same thing he did but never got caught.

Excargodog

Re-read what I said. Nothing I posted implied this was a fatal error, merely an expensive one. As Rick mentioned, this little episode might easily put him back $20K even in the short term for lawyer fees alone. And it MUST be reported on his medical.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...tingEvents.pdf

When it is reported, the AME will have no option but to defer that physical.



https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...itionTable.pdf

And he will have to assemble and provide this data:

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...DA_Initial.pdf

So it now goes to the vagaries of the FAA WITH THE VERY REAL POSSIBILITY THEY WILL WANT A FULL EVALUATION BECAUSE it is NOT YET eight or ten years down the road, and they are being required to make a decision now, before he can even solo. So that might very well bring up this option:

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...e_prot/saspec/

Permit me to provide an excerpt:

Not only is this a fairly expensive work up but his insurance WILL NOT COVER IT. No medical insurance plan is obligated to fund a psychiatric work up for an occupational or legal qualification. Should he come to the attention of the FAA in a negative way in the future (underage drinking never happened at MY university but I hear it's not uncommon) he FOR SURE will go through this, perhaps multiple times. And of course, every subjective medical test pretty much has a false positive rate of 5% so there is a very real chance of triggering additional costly work up.

So will this affect him getting to the regionals? It won't disqualify him (assuming he's SQUEAKY CLEAN from here out), but it well could slow him down a year or two, And yes, that can ripple down and cause him to not earn a year or two of that high-end pay that he would have had if he hadn't had that delay.

So no, this is not a show stopper at all, but it is certainly an expense and unless it breaks right for him it could be a considerable expense.

And if his university is one of the ones that requires him to get a class 1 medical before accepting him into the program, just to prove he will be able to qualify for one before devoting four years of his life and tuition to it, the odds go up significantly that he'll get the more expensive work up because if he applies for a class 1 he'll be held to the same standard as someone who actually does have a hundred pax in back, even if he's a decade away from actually having that job.

JohnBurke

Ah. Millennial. Your world is built on "likes."

Grow up.

How would I know how many and why would I care?

It's irrelevant.

We're not talking about co-workers, nor did they post the question. Focus.

What others did and got away with is irrelevant. Many have got away with running out of fuel. That needn't be excused, either. Pick a thousand things people have got away with, and each will be irrelevant. No need for excuses based on what others got away with; it's the straw man argument for the apologist.

Don't be an apologist.

METO Guido

Of course not. 1st rule of CRM, never acknowledge an error you made.

TOS infringement this goof and his shade throwers unapologetically "get away" with:
Religion
Politics
Language
Harassment

All good for click pennies I'm sure.

tomgoodman

Did you report the posts where these things occurred?

JohnBurke

Well, there's harassment. That's what we used to call "speaking the truth." Quoting people. That's considered harassment. Responding. Really harassing. But mostly quoting them.

There's religion. Bahamasflyer called on his god.

There's politics. Mketch11 reasoned that if the president can do it and be president, then it's okay.

And the damn language. It's terrible.

What a train wreck.

METO Guido

I did not.

Religion:
Politics:
Language:
Harassment:
Many similar examples, take your pick. It's been no secret.

Broncofan

While I disagree with JBs condescending and rude comments, I think intend to agree with his position. I think you will have a career in Aviation, but I don't think it will be the career you want. You'll get on with a regional, but I dont know where you'll be able to go from there. If aviation is the only thing you have ever dreamed of, sure go for it and do everything in your power to turn this around, otherwise I would pursue something else. It stinks because many have done what you have done, but they didnt get caught.

AKBushRat

You should have no problem getting a “withheld judgment” on your charges. That means, if you are good and you do what they tell you, the charges will drop off your record like nothing ever happened. Your career potential will remain unchanged. You can only get this deal on your first offense. There’s no way it’s going to cost 10-20k either.