Juvenile records affect on career?
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Juvenile records affect on career?
I'm 17. Student Pilot. Soloed. Senior in HS. I made the biggest mistake of my life not too long ago; Tried shoplifting a high ticket item, got caught, arrested, and charged with grand theft (felony). I was never convicted, charges were dismissed because of a first time offender pre-trial program. I also have a minor car accident where i rear ended someone going 5 mph on my driving record.
I know it's still years away, but I was wondering how much these incidents will affect my chances at the regionals and legacies. I plan on keeping my nose clean, stay pink slip free (I will be going to a p141 school in the fall), and make the Dean's list 6-8 semesters.
I've read that you don't have to disclose anything if you were never convicted (airlineapps says not to disclose anything i wasn't convicted for). And should own up to it if asked about it. I've also read that my juvenile record gets sealed, or expunged when I turn 18.
My dream is a career at Delta, but settling at any other legacy or major is acceptable. How much of a show stopper are these incidents?
I know it's still years away, but I was wondering how much these incidents will affect my chances at the regionals and legacies. I plan on keeping my nose clean, stay pink slip free (I will be going to a p141 school in the fall), and make the Dean's list 6-8 semesters.
I've read that you don't have to disclose anything if you were never convicted (airlineapps says not to disclose anything i wasn't convicted for). And should own up to it if asked about it. I've also read that my juvenile record gets sealed, or expunged when I turn 18.
My dream is a career at Delta, but settling at any other legacy or major is acceptable. How much of a show stopper are these incidents?
#2
Ha, good luck hiding any of that mess; it won't work. Remember it says "arrested for," not just convicted of, like it used to.
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Grow a pair and OWN your mistakes, don't rely on dismissals and expungements. That's the way of cowards.....and the "Legacies" know it. They have the pleasure of being picky, you think they don't know how to "really" look at records?
They WILL find your dirty laundry and if you are untruthful about it........you are toast.
I know you are only 17; but it's time to grow up. Just my .02.
RadialGal
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Grow a pair and OWN your mistakes, don't rely on dismissals and expungements. That's the way of cowards.....and the "Legacies" know it. They have the pleasure of being picky, you think they don't know how to "really" look at records?
They WILL find your dirty laundry and if you are untruthful about it........you are toast.
I know you are only 17; but it's time to grow up. Just my .02.
RadialGal
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Okay, I was waiting for someone else to respond.
I was in almost your same situation 43 years ago. You made a mistake. Learn from it and move on. You have used your one and only Get out for Jail free card. One word of caution. I have found in life people that have Integrity issues have had them since Childhood. Don't be that person anymore.
I was in almost your same situation 43 years ago. You made a mistake. Learn from it and move on. You have used your one and only Get out for Jail free card. One word of caution. I have found in life people that have Integrity issues have had them since Childhood. Don't be that person anymore.
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I'm 17. Student Pilot. Soloed. Senior in HS. I made the biggest mistake of my life not too long ago; Tried shoplifting a high ticket item, got caught, arrested, and charged with grand theft (felony). I was never convicted, charges were dismissed because of a first time offender pre-trial program. I also have a minor car accident where i rear ended someone going 5 mph on my driving record.
I know it's still years away, but I was wondering how much these incidents will affect my chances at the regionals and legacies. I plan on keeping my nose clean, stay pink slip free (I will be going to a p141 school in the fall), and make the Dean's list 6-8 semesters.
I've read that you don't have to disclose anything if you were never convicted (airlineapps says not to disclose anything i wasn't convicted for). And should own up to it if asked about it. I've also read that my juvenile record gets sealed, or expunged when I turn 18.
My dream is a career at Delta, but settling at any other legacy or major is acceptable. How much of a show stopper are these incidents?
I know it's still years away, but I was wondering how much these incidents will affect my chances at the regionals and legacies. I plan on keeping my nose clean, stay pink slip free (I will be going to a p141 school in the fall), and make the Dean's list 6-8 semesters.
I've read that you don't have to disclose anything if you were never convicted (airlineapps says not to disclose anything i wasn't convicted for). And should own up to it if asked about it. I've also read that my juvenile record gets sealed, or expunged when I turn 18.
My dream is a career at Delta, but settling at any other legacy or major is acceptable. How much of a show stopper are these incidents?
If you can comprehend that what you did was wrong, and determine that that's not the person you want to be, then there's a way ahead.
Since you were "relatively" young, airlines will forgive this if it comes to light so long as there is ZERO subsequent history (or even hint) of anti-social behavior. Don't even get any speeding tickets until you land your dream airline job. But you need to be prepared to explain what you learned from this and how you've changed. It would be easy to overlook a 12 year-old shoplifting, but seventeen should know better so you're on thin ice.
As far as application, read them carefully, and answer them literally. If in doubt the conventional wisdom is to disclose more, not less. If they suspect you're lying or hiding something (especially something like this) you will be done for sure. If asked at at interview don't lie.
Also be aware that interviewers, especially HR pros, are good at sniffing things out. If they suspect something, based on body language, etc they might try open-ended questions. There are questions they may not be able to ask legally, but if you tell them without being asked they can usually consider the info. "So, just the speeding ticket? Sure there's nothing else you want to tell us... ?". In that case, if they didn't ask straight out, don't tell them. Interview is NOT confessional, good pilots have torpedoes themselves by divulging things they really didn't have to.
Make sure your records are sealed/expunged. The airlines actually prefer that if they are aware of the event.
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