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Old 02-20-2020, 05:39 AM
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For some applications, such as through airlineapps, you need to have your SSN to create a profile. As you don’t have the GC yet I assume you don’t have your SSN either. That means you are not able to apply at Delta or United for example. All other applications ask for the minimum requirements of having an ATP and the right to work and live in the US. If you still have one year until you’re available, I recommend starting an online degree asap. You will get some credits for an FAA ATP once you have it. As others have said, I doesn’t hurt to fill out an application where it lets you. But don’t expect any response until you at least have the minimum requirements as the GC and an ATP, preferably with a degree of course.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Other than that, AA is like the others, very few off-the-street hires without a degree. But like I said you might just be the guy that the rare exception was designed for.
Fast forward two years and I guess it turns out I am that rare exception, at least in the current hiring climate. Ended up not getting a degree and got hired by AA, starting next month!
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Old 07-29-2022, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lifeson2112 View Post
Fast forward two years and I guess it turns out I am that rare exception, at least in the current hiring climate. Ended up not getting a degree and got hired by AA, starting next month!

Congrats!

And thanks for following up. Things have changed a bit since 2020, not surprised you go hired, the degree is less important right now.
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Old 12-14-2022, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Lifeson2112 View Post
Fast forward two years and I guess it turns out I am that rare exception, at least in the current hiring climate. Ended up not getting a degree and got hired by AA, starting next month!
Yay, congratulations, good for you!

I was going through this thread and was about to ask you for an update before I scrolled to the very end.
I personally am in a similar although not identical situation. I am a non-US citizen (European) living with my family and working a staff job in the US on a temporary assignment (NATO visa). Despite everything going on, we have come to really like it, but my air force will of course not let me stay here indefinitely. So one option I am looking into is retiring and becoming an airline pilot. I have wanted to do this for a while, but airline jobs in Europe are *******.
Anyway, I do not have a formal degree either (I have something that is equivalent to but not accredited as a bachelor), so I am happy to learn that this requirement may have been relaxed.

I am somewhat older than you with 3.000 hours on fast jets. But I keep hearing from people I talk to that it is not too late to make the move. Now the big hurdle is figuring out if/how I can get a Green Card or whatever is needed to live and work here in the US.

I would be very interested in hearing more about your transition and how it works out for you. Maybe you could provide another update at some point.

Good luck!
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Old 12-16-2022, 05:45 AM
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Yay, congratulations, good for you!

I was going through this thread and was about to ask you for an update before I scrolled to the very end.
I personally am in a similar although not identical situation. I am a non-US citizen (European) living with my family and working a staff job in the US on a temporary assignment (NATO visa). Despite everything going on, we have come to really like it, but my air force will of course not let me stay here indefinitely. So one option I am looking into is retiring and becoming an airline pilot. I have wanted to do this for a while, but airline jobs in Europe are *******.
Anyway, I do not have a formal degree either (I have something that is equivalent to but not accredited as a bachelor), so I am happy to learn that this requirement may have been relaxed.

I am somewhat older than you with 3.000 hours on fast jets. But I keep hearing from people I talk to that it is not too late to make the move. Now the big hurdle is figuring out if/how I can get a Green Card or whatever is needed to live and work here in the US.

I would be very interested in hearing more about your transition and how it works out for you. Maybe you could provide another update at some point.

Good luck!
You should have zero issues getting a major airline job provided you have a green card. Even Delta when they had a degree requirement had a process for approving foreign equivalent education. I suspect your big issue will be which airline to pick as you likely will have multiple offers.
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Old 12-16-2022, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Lifeson2112 View Post
And then some glider hours (about 190 or so), but don't know if those seriously count for anything or not when it comes to this.
It worked for Sully.
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Old 12-16-2022, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Phantom26 View Post
Yay, congratulations, good for you!

I was going through this thread and was about to ask you for an update before I scrolled to the very end.
I personally am in a similar although not identical situation. I am a non-US citizen (European) living with my family and working a staff job in the US on a temporary assignment (NATO visa). Despite everything going on, we have come to really like it, but my air force will of course not let me stay here indefinitely. So one option I am looking into is retiring and becoming an airline pilot. I have wanted to do this for a while, but airline jobs in Europe are *******.
Anyway, I do not have a formal degree either (I have something that is equivalent to but not accredited as a bachelor), so I am happy to learn that this requirement may have been relaxed.

I am somewhat older than you with 3.000 hours on fast jets. But I keep hearing from people I talk to that it is not too late to make the move. Now the big hurdle is figuring out if/how I can get a Green Card or whatever is needed to live and work here in the US.

I would be very interested in hearing more about your transition and how it works out for you. Maybe you could provide another update at some point.

Good luck!
The green card will definitely be the long pole in the tent for you. If you already have family with US citizenship, it may be a bit easier. At my airline we have more than a few guys who flew for other nations’ air forces. You may want to see if you are burning a bridge with your Air Force by putting in an application for a US Green card. Good luck!
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Old 12-16-2022, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnBurke View Post
It worked for Sully.
There are lots of guys at FDX with 30-120 minutes of glider time.
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Old 12-16-2022, 12:50 PM
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There are lots of guys at FDX with 30-120 minutes of glider time.
How much of that was in an F-4?
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Old 12-16-2022, 05:32 PM
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How much of that was in an F-4?
F-4 isn't a glider. If you have at least one engine, it's an airplane. If you lose both, it's a ballistic blunt object.

Those are the words of a family friend who did 365 combat missions back in 'Nam. When his daughter first told me that number I just assumed it was a misconception on her part, but no he really did that many. Only got shot down once.
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