Young mid level police supervisor wants out
#31
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I didn't read through each post, so my apologies if I'm missing something already covered. Your post had me think of a couple things. First, to address the job dissatisfaction: have you ever had any interest in the Fire side of things? I know each city is different and I don't know Dallas, but your TIS usually carries right over. I know salary can sometimes take a hit (NYPD stopped allowing people to come over to FDNY with current salary about 15 years ago to dissuade people from doing it), but it usually comes back up within 5 years. My firehouse had 65 people assigned to it and I'd say at least 15 were former cops. On the flip side, I don't think I could list on 1 hand the amount of folks I know that went from FD to PD. Not trying to whip up a blue vs. red debate, but the FD is way better in one HUGE aspect that you mentioned: dealing with the worst of things. Sure, FD has PLENTY of down days, tough situations, and different personalities (it's a job like any other), but it's just a very different mindset and relation to those you're working with and those you're called to help.
The schedule is more flexible, the work very rarely comes home with you, and the camaraderie is (or at least seems, from my perch) MUCH greater. I'm 100% biased, but I love being a fireman and, even being fortunate enough to have the chance to chase another one of my childhood dreams of being a military pilot, I still can't think of much else I'd rather do than climb on the big red truck.
If you're not considering that option, at least look into what others have said about going over to PD aviation. I'm sure competition might be tough, as there are likely a lot of previous mil helo pilots that are now cops (it was that way with NYPD Aviation) lining up for the job, but it's certainly an option.
Lastly, speaking of mil aviation, that's always a potential option, too. You're coming up on the 33 age limit and would probably need a waiver, but it's certainly possible if it was a route you wanted to take. They gave my old ass a chance. You could join a Guard or Reserves unit relatively nearby and get your wings, while still running the clock toward your Dallas retirement. You'll have to spend a couple years going through military training to spit out at the other end, which is certainly not an easy endeavor with an established family, but it's completely doable. You'll have clicked off years to retirement, gotten a break from the stress of your job, met a lot of great people in a similar boat to you, had the positive camaraderie aspects you have (or at least wanted) in your PD job with fellow mil pilots, and you'll be priming yourself for a potential second career as an airline pilot, should you be interested in that route. Oh, and most importantly, you'll have gotten paid to learn how to fly something that (likely) you'd never have the opportunity to otherwise. Not a bad deal.
Anyway, bro, feel free to hit me up if you have any questions about anything. Again, not trying to stir up FD vs PD battles, but just voicing my observations of a decade+ of being in this world. A lot of my PD friends are burned out and in a similar boat to you; where I don't hear the same complaints out of my brothers and sisters on the big red trucks.
Best of luck to whatever you decide!
The schedule is more flexible, the work very rarely comes home with you, and the camaraderie is (or at least seems, from my perch) MUCH greater. I'm 100% biased, but I love being a fireman and, even being fortunate enough to have the chance to chase another one of my childhood dreams of being a military pilot, I still can't think of much else I'd rather do than climb on the big red truck.
If you're not considering that option, at least look into what others have said about going over to PD aviation. I'm sure competition might be tough, as there are likely a lot of previous mil helo pilots that are now cops (it was that way with NYPD Aviation) lining up for the job, but it's certainly an option.
Lastly, speaking of mil aviation, that's always a potential option, too. You're coming up on the 33 age limit and would probably need a waiver, but it's certainly possible if it was a route you wanted to take. They gave my old ass a chance. You could join a Guard or Reserves unit relatively nearby and get your wings, while still running the clock toward your Dallas retirement. You'll have to spend a couple years going through military training to spit out at the other end, which is certainly not an easy endeavor with an established family, but it's completely doable. You'll have clicked off years to retirement, gotten a break from the stress of your job, met a lot of great people in a similar boat to you, had the positive camaraderie aspects you have (or at least wanted) in your PD job with fellow mil pilots, and you'll be priming yourself for a potential second career as an airline pilot, should you be interested in that route. Oh, and most importantly, you'll have gotten paid to learn how to fly something that (likely) you'd never have the opportunity to otherwise. Not a bad deal.
Anyway, bro, feel free to hit me up if you have any questions about anything. Again, not trying to stir up FD vs PD battles, but just voicing my observations of a decade+ of being in this world. A lot of my PD friends are burned out and in a similar boat to you; where I don't hear the same complaints out of my brothers and sisters on the big red trucks.
Best of luck to whatever you decide!
When I had my discovery flight/ first lesson, as exciting as it all was, all I could think about was how underpaid pilots were. There seemed to be a lot of stuff to know and do to make 20k a year. Most of my intro to aviation class mates thought the same and they bailed through training. Jokes on them though, it has become a lot easier with time and the pay has gotten better
#32
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Joined APC: Oct 2019
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100% understand staying put and, for sure, FD has it's pitfalls, as well. My experience just seems to have less stress and burnout with my FD peers over the PD folks that are on the other side of our building.
You guys on the blue side have a tough and (many times) thankless job, which certainly makes it tough.
As for military, you're not too old yet. I made this happen at 36 (when I started; I'm 38 now and a couple months from finishing UPT), so there's always a snowball's chance in hell. Haha. They do require the degree to become an officer/fly (potentially enlisted flying RPAs?), but it doesn't mean you couldn't head back in and be a Boom Operator/Loadmaster/Flight Engineer/etc. on the enlisted side and still be up in the air if you're not interested in completing your Bachelor's.
It would be a way to pull yourself out of the PD grind and get away from the job for a little while, put some extra coin in your pocket, and maybe add some adventure to things. You know what mil life entails since you said you were in, so maybe it's not appealing to you anymore. Haha.
But, it sounds like you're headed in a direction that'll make you happy with the CFI and working toward ATP route! Best of luck!
You guys on the blue side have a tough and (many times) thankless job, which certainly makes it tough.
As for military, you're not too old yet. I made this happen at 36 (when I started; I'm 38 now and a couple months from finishing UPT), so there's always a snowball's chance in hell. Haha. They do require the degree to become an officer/fly (potentially enlisted flying RPAs?), but it doesn't mean you couldn't head back in and be a Boom Operator/Loadmaster/Flight Engineer/etc. on the enlisted side and still be up in the air if you're not interested in completing your Bachelor's.
It would be a way to pull yourself out of the PD grind and get away from the job for a little while, put some extra coin in your pocket, and maybe add some adventure to things. You know what mil life entails since you said you were in, so maybe it's not appealing to you anymore. Haha.
But, it sounds like you're headed in a direction that'll make you happy with the CFI and working toward ATP route! Best of luck!
#33
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Joined APC: Oct 2013
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I went from airlines to policing and then back to flying, so I was in a little different position switching back, but wanted to make a couple of observations based on some of your comments.
Culture - bear in mind pilots are often type A personalities too so you'll still see some of the same traits you're not fond of among airline pilots, but the culture isn't quite as dominating is as it is in law enforcement. The camaraderie isn't anywhere near what is is in law enforcement but it's still good.
I found coming back to flying handling the stresses of airline flying a lot easier than they were before. Somehow maintenance delays, late bags etc didn't seem anywhere near as significant after dealing with DV, fatal crashes and the other niceties of law enforcement. Commuting was still pretty stressful but I moved to base and eliminated that problem.
Airline flying can be boring too. Although it may seem overwhelming now, all of what you're doing will become second nature and will seem very easy. Personally, I'm good with that. I wore out the adrenaline junky side of me while was on the street so I'm happy with easy street.
The ATC comms may seem a little much right now, but it's just a different language. Cops have a radio language too and you have the advantage of knowing how to talk on a radio which puts you ahead of most guys starting out. It's just a matter of learning the language which comes with time. If you have a computer flight simulator, check out PilotEdge. That will help with comms.
There are lots of other skills you already possess that will make your flight training easier. Good luck!
Culture - bear in mind pilots are often type A personalities too so you'll still see some of the same traits you're not fond of among airline pilots, but the culture isn't quite as dominating is as it is in law enforcement. The camaraderie isn't anywhere near what is is in law enforcement but it's still good.
I found coming back to flying handling the stresses of airline flying a lot easier than they were before. Somehow maintenance delays, late bags etc didn't seem anywhere near as significant after dealing with DV, fatal crashes and the other niceties of law enforcement. Commuting was still pretty stressful but I moved to base and eliminated that problem.
Airline flying can be boring too. Although it may seem overwhelming now, all of what you're doing will become second nature and will seem very easy. Personally, I'm good with that. I wore out the adrenaline junky side of me while was on the street so I'm happy with easy street.
The ATC comms may seem a little much right now, but it's just a different language. Cops have a radio language too and you have the advantage of knowing how to talk on a radio which puts you ahead of most guys starting out. It's just a matter of learning the language which comes with time. If you have a computer flight simulator, check out PilotEdge. That will help with comms.
There are lots of other skills you already possess that will make your flight training easier. Good luck!
#34
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Joined APC: Nov 2017
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So I made the transition away from LE, a couple months ago. I did 15 years in really busy places..worked narco, vice, etc. Something you said struck a chord in me..about breathing, sleeping aviation. Don't do that. This should be your job, and you enjoy something else as a hobby. Let me explain. I lived that whole cop thing. Trained my butt off. Went to every single tactical school you can fathom. Trained martial arts, on and on. What tends to happen, is that you live it, and when others don't see it like you do..you will resent them. It's happening to you right now. You're a boss, and don't like doing the job.
Depending on when you got on this job, you will have a different sense of it. Did you run & gun while you were a patrolman? You get out with your guys now? Those things will affect how and why your decisions can be addressed. I completed my PPL while working day tours, and finished it in about 6 months. I highly suggest this method. Do not drop everything initially. I waited til I was deep into instrument, before pulling the retirement trigger. I got to a point in my career, where I valued my personal happiness and well-being, over "the job". Which is why I say you should have other hobbies. Then when you go fly, it's fun. I finally go shooting and train for the love of it, and I don't want to let my skills go to waste, as it was a sizeable investment. But flying is my main focus these days. PM me if you wanna talk in detail. Good luck.
Depending on when you got on this job, you will have a different sense of it. Did you run & gun while you were a patrolman? You get out with your guys now? Those things will affect how and why your decisions can be addressed. I completed my PPL while working day tours, and finished it in about 6 months. I highly suggest this method. Do not drop everything initially. I waited til I was deep into instrument, before pulling the retirement trigger. I got to a point in my career, where I valued my personal happiness and well-being, over "the job". Which is why I say you should have other hobbies. Then when you go fly, it's fun. I finally go shooting and train for the love of it, and I don't want to let my skills go to waste, as it was a sizeable investment. But flying is my main focus these days. PM me if you wanna talk in detail. Good luck.
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