Expunged DUI
02-23-2020 | 01:30 PM
#41
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I believe that if you FOIA yourself, you should get anything that the airlines might see.
Be aware that regionals probably just do the bare minimum, ie SIDA check.
But majors (especially top-tier) may use commercial databases which capture court records at all levels (most of which are online) and resell that data. That could include expunged records, if they were captured before the expungement. The legality of using that sort of info varies by state.
Due to the complexity of the situation with court records and the federal Db, the conventional wisdom is if in doubt, disclose it. Generally it's better to not get hired, than to accept a job and then get fired later. Back in the day it was common to lose one regional new-hire per class to background issues which popped up during training. Less common at majors (some may do the checks before granting a class date).
You can always ask a lawyer, but get one who understands airline aviation issues.
If anybody knows for sure (varies by state anyway) I haven't heard from them.
Be aware that regionals probably just do the bare minimum, ie SIDA check.
But majors (especially top-tier) may use commercial databases which capture court records at all levels (most of which are online) and resell that data. That could include expunged records, if they were captured before the expungement. The legality of using that sort of info varies by state.
Due to the complexity of the situation with court records and the federal Db, the conventional wisdom is if in doubt, disclose it. Generally it's better to not get hired, than to accept a job and then get fired later. Back in the day it was common to lose one regional new-hire per class to background issues which popped up during training. Less common at majors (some may do the checks before granting a class date).
You can always ask a lawyer, but get one who understands airline aviation issues.
If anybody knows for sure (varies by state anyway) I haven't heard from them.
Well I'm at a major and had no issue. Had no issue in the military background checks for clearances also. So obviously there are some loopholes but I think that's probably not the norm.
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02-23-2020 | 02:25 PM
#42
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
If it was juvie or pre-2000, that might be harder to dig up.
02-23-2020 | 05:07 PM
#44
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From: Mooney driver
The Canadian government generally could give a rats *** about any convictions >10 years ago. That doesn’t convey a right though; they could remove you at any time unless you’re a permanent resident or citizen. They have the balls to denaturalize Canadians too (unlike the USA).
Oh here is the best part: Canadians with DUI convictions are not automatically inadmissible into the USA, by itself. Yup. Quite bilateral eh? There are lots of quirks. Indians born in Canada, with at least 50% of American Indian blood, are exempt immigration requirements to enter the USA. BUT Americans Indians born in the USA do NOT have a right or privilege to enter Canada! Lots of BS immigration rules. I wish Donnie T would have blew out the stupid DUI thing when he rewrote NAFTA.
02-24-2020 | 02:14 PM
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I believe that if you FOIA yourself, you should get anything that the airlines might see.
Be aware that regionals probably just do the bare minimum, ie SIDA check.
But majors (especially top-tier) may use commercial databases which capture court records at all levels (most of which are online) and resell that data. That could include expunged records, if they were captured before the expungement. The legality of using that sort of info varies by state.
Due to the complexity of the situation with court records and the federal Db, the conventional wisdom is if in doubt, disclose it. Generally it's better to not get hired, than to accept a job and then get fired later. Back in the day it was common to lose one regional new-hire per class to background issues which popped up during training. Less common at majors (some may do the checks before granting a class date).
You can always ask a lawyer, but get one who understands airline aviation issues.
If anybody knows for sure (varies by state anyway) I haven't heard from them.
Be aware that regionals probably just do the bare minimum, ie SIDA check.
But majors (especially top-tier) may use commercial databases which capture court records at all levels (most of which are online) and resell that data. That could include expunged records, if they were captured before the expungement. The legality of using that sort of info varies by state.
Due to the complexity of the situation with court records and the federal Db, the conventional wisdom is if in doubt, disclose it. Generally it's better to not get hired, than to accept a job and then get fired later. Back in the day it was common to lose one regional new-hire per class to background issues which popped up during training. Less common at majors (some may do the checks before granting a class date).
You can always ask a lawyer, but get one who understands airline aviation issues.
If anybody knows for sure (varies by state anyway) I haven't heard from them.
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