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12-16-2021 | 11:52 PM
#61
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Philosophically speaking what do you see looking down on ground when flying? Maybe I'm different but I see a massive about of beauty and this is what keeps me wanting to be up there the most. It's the macro view of us (humanity). As soon as the wheels touch down this overload of the micro world of information spills in. It's a bunch of body cells competing with one another. There are many forms of foolish hierarchies in the micro world. Cancer kills.
I, for one, enjoy keeping a paper logbook. I can open it up and take a glance or two at the remarks section and sort of, kind of, remember some things that I hadn't thought of in a long time. Names of people I've not flown with since, the exotic (and not so-) places I've been. Its the diary of my professional accomplishments and I like it. So I will continue to do it. Count me out of the revolution.
12-17-2021 | 12:05 PM
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I, for one, enjoy keeping a paper logbook. I can open it up and take a glance or two at the remarks section and sort of, kind of, remember some things that I hadn't thought of in a long time. Names of people I've not flown with since, the exotic (and not so-) places I've been. Its the diary of my professional accomplishments and I like it. So I will continue to do it. Count me out of the revolution.
No, the regional airlines are the only sticklers about this "turn over your log book to us so we can review and judge" in my personal experience. GA is not like this at all. I remember last 5 GA gigs I had not one asked to see my log book for dissecting. After 1500 hours it gets as personal as a vaccination. Plus, it's a bit on the creepy side of things in my opinion, no? I wouldn't want to show my flying pictures to some stranger asking me as if he/she didn't believe me when I say I am a pilot. Someone I'm flying with and next to sure, all day long!
My memories are stored in pictures I take. I believe paper log is a bit old fashion but to each their own. I'm not damning anyone for doing it. I'm damning HR for being nosy, creepy, lazy. I blame us for allowing it to happen as if we would give our left leg to get to the majors.
For the other poster, John....
I'm not the only one that thinks like this. You are the only one letting this thought get under your skin. I'm not here to penetrate you or anyone. I am here to help make all of our lives better even the so called HR which I firmly believe is a useless J-O-B. Analyze this, find another place for belonging in this world. Now, what if.... what if ...what if you (HR) had to fly with the person you chose for hours at a time? How would you (HR) handle working with that person I chose you to work with every day? What would you do if they decided to use a stapler instead of a paperclip? I don't understand why not able to get along, he/she has 99,047,845 (no decimals) hours logged behind desk. Must have been logged illegally!!! Yep, logged while sitting next to someone!
Seems a bit silly?
12-18-2021 | 06:07 AM
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This is exactly what I believe it should be used for. It's personal!
No, the regional airlines are the only sticklers about this "turn over your log book to us so we can review and judge" in my personal experience. GA is not like this at all. I remember last 5 GA gigs I had not one asked to see my log book for dissecting. After 1500 hours it gets as personal as a vaccination. Plus, it's a bit on the creepy side of things in my opinion, no? I wouldn't want to show my flying pictures to some stranger asking me as if he/she didn't believe me when I say I am a pilot. Someone I'm flying with and next to sure, all day long!
My memories are stored in pictures I take. I believe paper log is a bit old fashion but to each their own. I'm not damning anyone for doing it. I'm damning HR for being nosy, creepy, lazy. I blame us for allowing it to happen as if we would give our left leg to get to the majors.
No, the regional airlines are the only sticklers about this "turn over your log book to us so we can review and judge" in my personal experience. GA is not like this at all. I remember last 5 GA gigs I had not one asked to see my log book for dissecting. After 1500 hours it gets as personal as a vaccination. Plus, it's a bit on the creepy side of things in my opinion, no? I wouldn't want to show my flying pictures to some stranger asking me as if he/she didn't believe me when I say I am a pilot. Someone I'm flying with and next to sure, all day long!
My memories are stored in pictures I take. I believe paper log is a bit old fashion but to each their own. I'm not damning anyone for doing it. I'm damning HR for being nosy, creepy, lazy. I blame us for allowing it to happen as if we would give our left leg to get to the majors.
All that will come of this is that anyone who wants to get hired by an airline will do so, leaving you behind, all for want of a silly paperwork drill that you refuse to entertain due to some misplaced moral objection. I hope you’ve made peace with not rising above those GA gigs, because the logbook requirement will not change in a time span meaningful to the remainder of your working lifetime (if ever, which is more likely).
12-18-2021 | 06:55 AM
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This is exactly what I believe it should be used for. It's personal!
No, the regional airlines are the only sticklers about this "turn over your log book to us so we can review and judge" in my personal experience. GA is not like this at all. I remember last 5 GA gigs I had not one asked to see my log book for dissecting. After 1500 hours it gets as personal as a vaccination. Plus, it's a bit on the creepy side of things in my opinion, no? I wouldn't want to show my flying pictures to some stranger asking me as if he/she didn't believe me when I say I am a pilot. Someone I'm flying with and next to sure, all day long!
My memories are stored in pictures I take. I believe paper log is a bit old fashion but to each their own. I'm not damning anyone for doing it. I'm damning HR for being nosy, creepy, lazy. I blame us for allowing it to happen as if we would give our left leg to get to the majors.
For the other poster, John....
I'm not the only one that thinks like this. You are the only one letting this thought get under your skin. I'm not here to penetrate you or anyone. I am here to help make all of our lives better even the so called HR which I firmly believe is a useless J-O-B. Analyze this, find another place for belonging in this world. Now, what if.... what if ...what if you (HR) had to fly with the person you chose for hours at a time? How would you (HR) handle working with that person I chose you to work with every day? What would you do if they decided to use a stapler instead of a paperclip? I don't understand why not able to get along, he/she has 99,047,845 (no decimals) hours logged behind desk. Must have been logged illegally!!! Yep, logged while sitting next to someone!
Seems a bit silly?
No, the regional airlines are the only sticklers about this "turn over your log book to us so we can review and judge" in my personal experience. GA is not like this at all. I remember last 5 GA gigs I had not one asked to see my log book for dissecting. After 1500 hours it gets as personal as a vaccination. Plus, it's a bit on the creepy side of things in my opinion, no? I wouldn't want to show my flying pictures to some stranger asking me as if he/she didn't believe me when I say I am a pilot. Someone I'm flying with and next to sure, all day long!
My memories are stored in pictures I take. I believe paper log is a bit old fashion but to each their own. I'm not damning anyone for doing it. I'm damning HR for being nosy, creepy, lazy. I blame us for allowing it to happen as if we would give our left leg to get to the majors.
For the other poster, John....
I'm not the only one that thinks like this. You are the only one letting this thought get under your skin. I'm not here to penetrate you or anyone. I am here to help make all of our lives better even the so called HR which I firmly believe is a useless J-O-B. Analyze this, find another place for belonging in this world. Now, what if.... what if ...what if you (HR) had to fly with the person you chose for hours at a time? How would you (HR) handle working with that person I chose you to work with every day? What would you do if they decided to use a stapler instead of a paperclip? I don't understand why not able to get along, he/she has 99,047,845 (no decimals) hours logged behind desk. Must have been logged illegally!!! Yep, logged while sitting next to someone!
Seems a bit silly?
12-19-2021 | 10:14 PM
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OK all of sanity here. What makes the regional airlines so picky and creepy about a F'n log book?
Some intellect is telling me you are part of the interview process and you calling me out for challenging this because it would make your J-O=B harder. You would actually have to get to know who that person on the other end chooses to be which would take more then a wham bam interview searching for the best person to not cause a ripple in the water.
Call me a nut all day. I don't care. I'd rather that nut over a sheep. Baaaa baaaaaahhhhhhh
For some career driven pilots the airlines are the last place they would want to be. As time goes on maybe they decide to see what its is all about. Now they get asked why stopped making logbook entries 10 years ago at 1500. Well if you check on employment history and actually pick up the phone and call then maybe you can put it all together and say this person is NOT lying about flight time because there is no reason. It looks really tacky from the employee end believe it or not especially after many years of flight experience.
Nope, not buying another F'n log book and making up dates and numbers ALL THE WAY to my estimates just for a creepy hard on. You lose not me!
Some intellect is telling me you are part of the interview process and you calling me out for challenging this because it would make your J-O=B harder. You would actually have to get to know who that person on the other end chooses to be which would take more then a wham bam interview searching for the best person to not cause a ripple in the water.
Call me a nut all day. I don't care. I'd rather that nut over a sheep. Baaaa baaaaaahhhhhhh
For some career driven pilots the airlines are the last place they would want to be. As time goes on maybe they decide to see what its is all about. Now they get asked why stopped making logbook entries 10 years ago at 1500. Well if you check on employment history and actually pick up the phone and call then maybe you can put it all together and say this person is NOT lying about flight time because there is no reason. It looks really tacky from the employee end believe it or not especially after many years of flight experience.
Nope, not buying another F'n log book and making up dates and numbers ALL THE WAY to my estimates just for a creepy hard on. You lose not me!
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12-19-2021 | 11:44 PM
#66
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OK all of sanity here. What makes the regional airlines so picky and creepy about a F'n log book?
Some intellect is telling me you are part of the interview process and you calling me out for challenging this because it would make your J-O=B harder. You would actually have to get to know who that person on the other end chooses to be which would take more then a wham bam interview searching for the best person to not cause a ripple in the water.
Call me a nut all day. I don't care. I'd rather that nut over a sheep. Baaaa baaaaaahhhhhhh
For some career driven pilots the airlines are the last place they would want to be. As time goes on maybe they decide to see what its is all about. Now they get asked why stopped making logbook entries 10 years ago at 1500. Well if you check on employment history and actually pick up the phone and call then maybe you can put it all together and say this person is NOT lying about flight time because there is no reason. It looks really tacky from the employee end believe it or not especially after many years of flight experience.
Nope, not buying another F'n log book and making up dates and numbers ALL THE WAY to my estimates just for a creepy hard on. You lose not me!
Some intellect is telling me you are part of the interview process and you calling me out for challenging this because it would make your J-O=B harder. You would actually have to get to know who that person on the other end chooses to be which would take more then a wham bam interview searching for the best person to not cause a ripple in the water.
Call me a nut all day. I don't care. I'd rather that nut over a sheep. Baaaa baaaaaahhhhhhh
For some career driven pilots the airlines are the last place they would want to be. As time goes on maybe they decide to see what its is all about. Now they get asked why stopped making logbook entries 10 years ago at 1500. Well if you check on employment history and actually pick up the phone and call then maybe you can put it all together and say this person is NOT lying about flight time because there is no reason. It looks really tacky from the employee end believe it or not especially after many years of flight experience.
Nope, not buying another F'n log book and making up dates and numbers ALL THE WAY to my estimates just for a creepy hard on. You lose not me!
12-20-2021 | 01:33 AM
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(1) Training and aeronautical experience used to meet the requirements for a certificate, rating, or flight review of this part.
(2) The aeronautical experience required for meeting the recent flight experience requirements of this part.
Used to meet the requirements for A CERTIFICATION, RATING, or flight review.
Is an interview a certification or rating? Also, you can't make anyone do anything they don't want to do such as log time in a book for personal reasons with no goal attached to that reason. It's a silly waste of time in my opinion but to each their own. Go do you, boo! "Welcome to Costco, we love you. Welcome to Costco, we love you. Welcome to Costco, we love you..."
On a mental level tell me what you learn about someone that keeps track of hours logged which is not attached to requirements of 61.51? Not a damn logical judgemental note can be made here. Sorry Oh yeah penmanship. What is this 3rd grade? I just stopped wetting the bed at night too for your information.
"We can tell he stopped caring about flying when he hit 1600 because it goes to chicken scratch after that. This person is clearly insane."No, I'm clearly the one missing something here. Why not keep logging time after meeting ATP mins??? I will tell you why. I am a free thinker and I'm not competing against you!
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12-20-2021 | 05:11 AM
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OK all of sanity here. What makes the regional airlines so picky and creepy about a F'n log book?
Some intellect is telling me you are part of the interview process and you calling me out for challenging this because it would make your J-O=B harder. You would actually have to get to know who that person on the other end chooses to be which would take more then a wham bam interview searching for the best person to not cause a ripple in the water.
Call me a nut all day. I don't care. I'd rather that nut over a sheep. Baaaa baaaaaahhhhhhh
For some career driven pilots the airlines are the last place they would want to be. As time goes on maybe they decide to see what its is all about. Now they get asked why stopped making logbook entries 10 years ago at 1500. Well if you check on employment history and actually pick up the phone and call then maybe you can put it all together and say this person is NOT lying about flight time because there is no reason. It looks really tacky from the employee end believe it or not especially after many years of flight experience.
Nope, not buying another F'n log book and making up dates and numbers ALL THE WAY to my estimates just for a creepy hard on. You lose not me!
Some intellect is telling me you are part of the interview process and you calling me out for challenging this because it would make your J-O=B harder. You would actually have to get to know who that person on the other end chooses to be which would take more then a wham bam interview searching for the best person to not cause a ripple in the water.
Call me a nut all day. I don't care. I'd rather that nut over a sheep. Baaaa baaaaaahhhhhhh
For some career driven pilots the airlines are the last place they would want to be. As time goes on maybe they decide to see what its is all about. Now they get asked why stopped making logbook entries 10 years ago at 1500. Well if you check on employment history and actually pick up the phone and call then maybe you can put it all together and say this person is NOT lying about flight time because there is no reason. It looks really tacky from the employee end believe it or not especially after many years of flight experience.
Nope, not buying another F'n log book and making up dates and numbers ALL THE WAY to my estimates just for a creepy hard on. You lose not me!
(a) Training time and aeronautical experience. Each person must document and record the following time in a manner acceptable to the Administrator:
(1) Training and aeronautical experience used to meet the requirements for a certificate, rating, or flight review of this part.
(2) The aeronautical experience required for meeting the recent flight experience requirements of this part.
Used to meet the requirements for A CERTIFICATION, RATING, or flight review.
Is an interview a certification or rating? Also, you can't make anyone do anything they don't want to do such as log time in a book for personal reasons with no goal attached to that reason. It's a silly waste of time in my opinion but to each their own. Go do you, boo! "Welcome to Costco, we love you. Welcome to Costco, we love you. Welcome to Costco, we love you..."
On a mental level tell me what you learn about someone that keeps track of hours logged which is not attached to requirements of 61.51? Not a damn logical judgemental note can be made here. Sorry Oh yeah penmanship. What is this 3rd grade? I just stopped wetting the bed at night too for your information. "We can tell he stopped caring about flying when he hit 1600 because it goes to chicken scratch after that. This person is clearly insane."
No, I'm clearly the one missing something here. Why not keep logging time after meeting ATP mins??? I will tell you why. I am a free thinker and I'm not competing against you!
(1) Training and aeronautical experience used to meet the requirements for a certificate, rating, or flight review of this part.
(2) The aeronautical experience required for meeting the recent flight experience requirements of this part.
Used to meet the requirements for A CERTIFICATION, RATING, or flight review.
Is an interview a certification or rating? Also, you can't make anyone do anything they don't want to do such as log time in a book for personal reasons with no goal attached to that reason. It's a silly waste of time in my opinion but to each their own. Go do you, boo! "Welcome to Costco, we love you. Welcome to Costco, we love you. Welcome to Costco, we love you..."
On a mental level tell me what you learn about someone that keeps track of hours logged which is not attached to requirements of 61.51? Not a damn logical judgemental note can be made here. Sorry Oh yeah penmanship. What is this 3rd grade? I just stopped wetting the bed at night too for your information.
"We can tell he stopped caring about flying when he hit 1600 because it goes to chicken scratch after that. This person is clearly insane."No, I'm clearly the one missing something here. Why not keep logging time after meeting ATP mins??? I will tell you why. I am a free thinker and I'm not competing against you!
Nobody cares what you do or don't do. Nobody here works in HR. What's your point?
12-20-2021 | 10:18 AM
#69
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Of course, it's only possible when one is unemployed.
12-20-2021 | 11:45 AM
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Hello! My name is Sean, I got my Private Pilot's license last year and just finished my Instrument Rating a few weeks ago. I am now working on my commercial rating. I have been in the fire service for 25 years and am 45 years old. Hoping to get up to CFI and ME within the next few years. I will be totally done and retired from the fire department in about 3 years (at age 48) and would appreciate any input or suggestions from you experts towards my future piloting career!
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