A better question is what about if you did your training part 141. Then you can never fail a checkride, since the 8710 is never mailed to the FAA. So what if you don't pass one of those on your intial first shot? Is that one you need to disclose? Or is that not considered a failure? Have been asked in both interviews I have been to, have I failed a check ride OR stage check.

I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that you are confusing 141 training with the in-house examiners that are at some of these schools. Most 141 programs still send you off for an FAA checkride.

You are confusing stage checks with check rides. Stage checks dont go on your record because you dont fill out any 8710 forms for those. Any ride you fail for a pilot certificate will be on you FAA record.

If this is related to UND that include the following course:

102
325
414
415
416

Anything between that is considered stage check including:
112
101
221
222
323
325 lesson 99 or whatever it is now

The only thing that shows on a PRIA report is what certificates, ratings, and medical you currently hold. Im sure if the company want a detail report they could always get it according to the PRIA specifications.

Always disclose failures. You can get hired if you failed a checkride or two. You wont get hired if you try to hide it.

Believe it or not, most airline interviewers know the difference between part 61 training and part 141 training. I was also asked very specifically in every airline interview I've been through if I had ever failed a STAGE CHECK OR CHECKRIDE. In each case I told them about the stage check AND the checkride that I had failed (majority of my training was 141). For what its worth, all but one place I interviewed offered me a job.

Nancy Grace would be able to find you if you failed a checkride, so it is probably..............traceable.

I've never been asked about 141 stage or end-of-course checks. Those would be harder to identify because the FAA has no paperwork, your logbook may not clearly reflect what it was, and airlines don't normally get access to 141 training records as part of PRIA.

However...your logbook entries might raise suspicions. Also if you subsequently worked as a CFI at a 141 school where you trained a PRIA request might well return ALL of your 141 training records. The law is not specific about that but if a flight school manager reads the PRIA form he might get the idea that he is supposed to return all training records which he has...I worked at a flight school which did exactly that, and most of their instructors had trained there as students.

Safe answer: Fess up. Avoids problems down the road, and will not likely be a hiring issue unless you have multiple failures (3+).

I would think that if it is the latest entry in your logbook, it may have some weight to a potential employer. But if it is ancient history, many pages and hours ago in your logbook, or you have held a commercial job since then, and demonstrated your ability by holding a job with another carrier, no one really cares.

I failed my first try at a ppl! I check the box, and dont think much of it. Look at it this way: You can find a way to tell that story in an educational, or enlightening way, and make it work FOR you at an interview. It gives you an opportunity to stop answering questions, and start showing your personality and thought process to your potential employers.

I too wondered what information was included in PRIA, so I checked the box, and requested a copy recently. I'll let you know EXACTLY what I receive in a few weeks. We wont have to speculate. If I forget, PM me.

Yup, if you got a pink slip, it will be on your PRIA records report from our favorite uncle in OKC, which might come back around the time you are sitting in class at that coveted 121 job. Good chance they would pull a guy/gal from class and very publicly fire them for nondisclosure for the failure. Try explaining that one at your next interview (why you only worked for XYZ airline for 3 weeks):eek:

You absolutely did the right thing by disclosing it.

No it won't.

what's your source?