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FutureFO 05-27-2010 02:30 PM

I have never seen my records but I think failed checkrides stay there for lifetime. How did FAA find out that Marvin Winslow(may his soul rest in peace) had failed 3 checkrides prior to joining a 121 program if the records were expunged?

rickair7777 05-27-2010 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by FutureFO (Post 817999)
I have never seen my records but I think failed checkrides stay there for lifetime. How did FAA find out that Marvin Winslow(may his soul rest in peace) had failed 3 checkrides prior to joining a 121 program if the records were expunged?

I think his failures were in a 141 setting, which do not get reported to the FAA. But 141 schools keep records for at least three years, and anyone who knows what they are looking for can easily spot a 141 checkride failure in your logbook.

Actual pink slips stay in your FAA record forever.

Climbto450 05-28-2010 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by azvandriver (Post 335016)
This has been discussed here many times. The records the airline receives from OKC do not include 8710s. The only way they can tell is if you logged it. That being said, honesty is the best policy. 8410s however, from previous employers will be included. At least for the past 5 years.

You are 100 percent correct. I get PRIA requests back from OKC all the time and it never includes 8710 forms. However 8410's for the last 5 years of employers are included.
And yes Actual pinks slips do stay in your FAA record forever however they don't get sent to any employer as part of your PRIA paper work. The FAA/NTSB could use them in the event of an accident investigation. When I became chief pilot for my last employer the local FISDO got my records from OKC. That is the first time I have ever seen all of my FAA forms at once.

rickair7777 05-29-2010 07:08 AM

Also congress and/or the FAA are planning on "improving" the flow of information to employers, (colgan fallout). Expect the PRIA to go back ten years in the near future, and since Colgan claimed they didn't know about Renslow's checkride failures assume that those and any other adverse info in your FAA file will be reported via PRIA.

I suspect they will also start recording 141 checkride (EOC) failures in your FAA record also.

Personally I'm pretty sure Colgan knew damn well about renslow's past, they are just using that as a cop-out...even if Renslow didn't tell them, anyone who has any experience doing interviews can spot a 141 checkride failure in your logbook.

bozobigtop 06-01-2010 08:28 PM

I wouldn't hold my breath on any legislation coming out of congress anytime soon on anything, they cannot pass a bathroom break!

minimwage4 06-02-2010 06:30 PM

Don't ask airline HR. They are clueless about these things. Talk to the FAA. They will tell you that the airlines do not get your training information through PRIA. Therefore if the new employer chooses to do the bare minimum, all they will get in your background records is that you are a properly qualified pilot, have no enforcement actions. The second step which they say is up to the airline, and apparently most choose not to, is to check for actual training records. Then they do a company to company training records check wich has nothign to do with the FAA. Another thing they could do is to ask the FAA for your recrods but that will not show any training records of previous employers. So to answer the orgiinal posters questions, no a failed checkride will not show up unless they specifically bother to get that info fromt the prevoius empoyers and the FAA.

brianb 06-03-2010 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by SuperPilotJesse (Post 334336)
Ok I figure OKC would keep your last 8710 what if it was two rides ago... do they keep the old one?

Phoenix? No I'm from california... if you think you know me. Send me a PM.

Is this SabreLiner Jesse from Ca?:)

Sir Simothyno 06-07-2010 06:06 PM

failed checkrides
 
I have a buddy that got kicked out of an American Eagle interview last week because of a "discrepancy" in his paperwork. Apparently he didnt put down the he failed his CFI checkride and theY found out and gave him the boot from the interview before it even started. Thats just what he told me though. How do you request your records from the FAA?

FutureFO 06-07-2010 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by Sir Simothyno (Post 823069)
I have a buddy that got kicked out of an American Eagle interview last week because of a "discrepancy" in his paperwork. Apparently he didnt put down the he failed his CFI checkride and theY found out and gave him the boot from the interview before it even started. Thats just what he told me though. How do you request your records from the FAA?

Maybe its just discrepancy in paperwork. e.g flight times didnt add up, employment references etc. They couldn't have found at about his failed checkride until he signed PRIA forms. It takes a while to get the file from FAA.

CFItillIdie 06-08-2010 09:17 AM

How bad do your times have to be to not add up correctly? I mean are they going into log books w/ a calculator page by page?


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