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Old 04-04-2010 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jake Wheeler
Go with one that has a future and is growing like Republic airlines.
Hah, funniest thing I've heard all day.

RAH is the most in danger of BK (or at least massive furloughs) next to Mesa when they lose half their flying in a 3 year span because they decided to compete directly against their mainline partners. Who knows, maybe Frontier/Midwest will grow enough to make up for that...but that's a BIG maybe...not the kind of economy to be growing a Branded operation. If anything, EVERY other regional will be growing at the expense of Mesa and RAH's expiring contract flying.
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Old 04-05-2010 | 06:50 AM
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If anything, EVERY other regional will be growing at the expense of Mesa and RAH's expiring contract flying.
Heaven forbid United mainline starts taking back routes!
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Old 04-05-2010 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by waflyboy
Heaven forbid United mainline starts taking back routes!
Even better. I just don't see it happening. Maintaining current scope is where the battle is at right now.
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Old 04-05-2010 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Growing? The CRJ200's were removed from service, the CAL contract will be expiring soon, and the DAL contracts as well. Bedford is trying to change the game plan because he knows the gravy train 'Fee for Departure' contracts are done. I think the thing that's stopping RAH from buying more aircraft is that the business plan is changing. The operation is most likely not doing well, as it will take quite a bit of $$$ just to intergrate the operations. There's no room for growth, and it's more likely the operation will shrink over the next 10 years.
Oh great...another former XJT'er ****ed off because we took some of their planes turned moderator. Comical.

CAL and DAL contracts expiring soon? Is 10 years soon? And do you really think those won't be extended? We provide the best lift for any of them.
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Old 04-05-2010 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by blastoff
Hah, funniest thing I've heard all day.

RAH is the most in danger of BK (or at least massive furloughs) next to Mesa when they lose half their flying in a 3 year span because they decided to compete directly against their mainline partners. Who knows, maybe Frontier/Midwest will grow enough to make up for that...but that's a BIG maybe...not the kind of economy to be growing a Branded operation. If anything, EVERY other regional will be growing at the expense of Mesa and RAH's expiring contract flying.
Wow...BB should have called you because you obviously know a ton about this all!!

Guarantee you each and every contract will get renewed...with additional planes being added.
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Old 04-05-2010 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
Oh great...another former XJT'er ****ed off because we took some of their planes turned moderator. Comical.

CAL and DAL contracts expiring soon? Is 10 years soon? And do you really think those won't be extended? We provide the best lift for any of them.
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Wow...BB should have called you because you obviously know a ton about this all!!

Guarantee you each and every contract will get renewed...with additional planes being added.
I'll bet you a months wages (Gross) or whatever you want, that your contract W/DAL isn't extended beyond it's current terms, that is unless RAH off loads F9 and MEH.

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Old 04-05-2010 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
Guarantee you each and every contract will get renewed...with additional planes being added.
Bet you a beer at least half will not get renewed unless they close the Branded operation. A little friendly wager...

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We provide the best lift for any of them.
That has never, ever mattered. When the bid opens up, it will be all about competition and cost.
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Old 04-05-2010 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
Oh great...another former XJT'er ****ed off because we took some of their planes turned moderator. Comical.

CAL and DAL contracts expiring soon? Is 10 years soon? And do you really think those won't be extended? We provide the best lift for any of them.
I guarantee you the DAL contract will NOT be extended. DAL will not continue to support a competing operation, and this is assuming the Branded side of RAH succeeds. I'm pretty certain the CAL contract expires in less then 10 years, as does the DAL for SA/Chautauqua. Chautauqua was used to squeeze a cheaper long term CPA out of ExpressJet. I was never angry about Chautauqua getting CAL flying. I was Newark based, and got out as fast as I could.

As for your statement of you providing the best life for any of them, well that is most certainly a matter of opinion.

I also think I'm the ONLY former XJT'er turned moderator.

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Old 04-05-2010 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
Wow...BB should have called you because you obviously know a ton about this all!!

Guarantee you each and every contract will get renewed...with additional planes being added.
Planes added? For who? DAL is parking 50 seaters left and right. It won't be 76 seaters. They're capped. Mainline has a TON of growing to do before any 76 seaters can be added. Not to mention that there is a serious lack of product quality control when flying is not given to a wholly owned regional.

It's unlikely that RAH will grow, they will most likely shrink. With so many 37-50 seaters, and fuel rising it's likely you'll see them parked sooner then later. 2017 is the end of the DAL SA contract, and that may be renewed. However, it's unlikely as it would be directly funding a competitor. Also, the Fee for Departure contracts are quickly dying and that changes the whole game.
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Old 04-05-2010 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Planes added? For who? DAL is parking 50 seaters left and right. It won't be 76 seaters. They're capped. Mainline has a TON of growing to do before any 76 seaters can be added. Not to mention that there is a serious lack of product quality control when flying is not given to a wholly owned regional.

It's unlikely that RAH will grow, they will most likely shrink. With so many 37-50 seaters, and fuel rising it's likely you'll see them parked sooner then later. 2017 is the end of the DAL SA contract, and that may be renewed. However, it's unlikely as it would be directly funding a competitor. Also, the Fee for Departure contracts are quickly dying and that changes the whole game.
Yup! Dal is parking 130 more RJs over the next 2-3 years. RAH is up the creek without a paddle as soon as the carriers they fly for figure out how to get out of their contracts. When that happens the gravy train will end. Combine that with the nearly certain disaster that's on the horizon with integration of midwest/f9/rah.

Sorry tiller envy the trains coming to a bigtime hault in the near future from the looks of it. Airtran And Swa are going for the jugular and the major carriers that y'all feed won't be plying nice either. Get your time and get out asap!!
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