atr42flyer

So I went to a part 141 university and along the way they do several "stage checks" prior to a rating ride. if i have an unsat on a stage check does that constitute a failed check ride?

is there a difference?

My school broke up the training this way

private pilot course

then you do all your instrument, commercial, and multi training and and complete it with a final check ride for your instrument commercial multiengine rating.

so if i have failed a stage check oral or flight along the way but passed the rating ride do i have to disclose that?

I of course have nothing to hide i just want to make sure i check the right box!

rickair7777

Generally a 141 intermediate stage check is not considered to be a checkride. A part 61 student may have to repeat some maneuvers before mastering them, that does not count as a failure...there's no reason a 141 student should get penalized for an intermediate stage check should either.

On the other hand, an EOC check is a checkride...regardless of the BS that 141 people spout about how you can't "fail" a 141 checkride.

Especially after colgan, airlines are sensitive to failed checkrides. Eventually 141 checkride failures will be reported to the FAA just like 61 checkrides. But in the meantime there is a good chance that an interviewer could spot a failed 141 EOC in your logbook.

snippercr

Also be careful, a lot of airlines are outright asking about "stage checks." They will ask if you have failed any checkrides OR stage checks. Then you gotta answer yes to that.

Fly Boy Knight

I agree with ^^^ them. If you are asked, "Have you ever failed a checkride?" I would say flat out "nope." Now, if they specifically ask, "Have you ever failed any checkrides OR stage/phase checks?" I would say that I have not failed any End of Course Checkrides however yes, I did fail the Lesson ___ intermediate stage check in the ____ course." Then, most likely, the interviewer will ask you about what happened and what did you take away from the experience.

I went through a 141 with Examining Authority School and even if I knew the FAA didn't know about my EOC failure, I would still cough it up on an interview. It is not necessarily a bad thing to have failed a checkride as long as you learned something from it and can appreciate the value of the lesson you learned from it (this is what I believe an interviewer is looking for).

Just my $0.02

pokey9554

There are no part 61 or 141 checkrides. A checkride is a checkride. A part 141 EOC (end of course) ride can either be a stage check, or a checkride. Part 141 schools are required to conduct "phase" or "stage" checks. A checkride is the practical portion of an application for a certificate. If you aren't getting a certificate, pink slip, or discontinuance at the end of the ride, it was not a check ride.

rickair7777

Huh??? I was a 141 CP...

A part 61 checkride is a checkride, period.

A part 141 EOC could in theory just be a stage check if the school does not have examining authority. But the usual way around that is to hire a DPE who does the EOC on behalf of the school. It is still under part 141 and does not result in a pink slip (unless the DPE is really confused, which has happened).

But most 141 EOC checks are also the "checkride" in that a certificate is issued upon completion, either by an in-house examiner or a hired DPE (or even a fed in some cases).

If an airline asks you if you have ever failed a checkride, they mean any 61 checkride or any 141 EOC check which would have resulted in a certificate had it been passed. Semantics and Amateur Lawyering will not help you here...especially after colgan, if they find out you failed a 141 EOC and did not disclose you will be going home.

pokey9554

No need to get nasty Rick, especially when you inadvertantly agreed with my post.

rickair7777

I don't necessarily disagree with your post, I just don't understand it.

I wasn't getting nasty, I don't understand where you got that either...

pokey9554

In that case, truce accepted. Maybe I didn't convey my message clearly. If you didn't get a pink slip, you didn't fail a checkride.

rickair7777

As far as the FAA is concerned you are correct.

But most airline interviewers will consider a 141 EOC as a checkride failure if they find out about it...especially if they have a GA background (you might be able to BS a military guy on that). You might be able to cover it up if you failed the oral but if you went flying and have a logbook entry they will probably be able to spot that. I know that I would.

Employers don't care about legal loopholes, they just want to know if you flunked an important test.