Originally Posted by USMCFLYR

As far as those same young pilots wanting to jump at the job prior to gaining any real experience I'd say some of the blame comes from the airline pilots (and the industry) themselves when they preach that seniority is EVERYTHING and to get your foot in the door ASAP! So on one hand you're telling a young 300 hr pilot to gt on with XXX airline as soon as apossible (regardless of experience) and then telling a guy to go instruct or fly P135 night freight forst to get some experience so they will make a better P121 pilot.

USMCFLYR

Originally Posted by DrangonStar45

Yup, cause there is never going to be a 300Hr pilot in their mid 40s.

Originally Posted by DrangonStar45

Yup, cause there is never going to be a 300Hr pilot in their mid 40s.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

But those guys are usually a little more rational in their approach to life and work...experience counts.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

But those guys are usually a little more rational in their approach to life and work...experience counts.

Originally Posted by block30

Agreed with Rickair and USMCFLYR. Why argue semantics with USMCFLYR anyways?

Originally Posted by USMCFLYR

Yeah guys - I'm serious here.
What are the semantics being argued?

If it is an age thing then I'd say the same thing goes as far as experience.
Why would it be any different from a guy telling a 20 year old to get some AVIATION experience prior to jumping to -121 than it would for for a YOUNG PILOT (experience wise)?

Yes - the 40 year old would have more LIFE experience and hopefully not make irrational life decisions, but according to Sky this business is a mental disease and make people do irrational things. I don't call it a disease but I'd agree that people can make irrational decisions based on a passion that they have experienced in the first 300 hours. That is like puppy love and the honeymoon phase pressed into one!

Have to go get my fix now

USMCFLYR

Originally Posted by block30

Methinks you took my prior post as sarcasm. It wasn't.

Originally Posted by USMCFLYR

No....not yours.
I'm questioning Dragon's response and you and Rick mentioned stuff about experience and semantics. I'm really asking Dragon what he thought the problem was with my original post.

USMCFLYR

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Because you can gain experience, get education, fly for a 135 freight operator, dog it out with students trying to kill you all the time, get thousands of hours, do these things over several years (AFTER you've gotten the "training" necessary for the job), and then what, hope to earn 20K/yr and be "stuck" earning 35K for several years after that with no real hope in sight? Major airlines condensing down lines as pilots retire and farming out routes to whomever will do it cheapest to keep costs down, mergers that further reduce the number of pilots needed for said regional airlines, and then what? Years later you can upgrade to CA of a EMB-135 or maybe CRJ if you're luckly? And this is all if you aren't furloughed and have to START OUT AGAIN. No one wants anything for free, but my generation at least wants a fighting chance, but with the excessive spending and expansion by previous generations, it's not turning out that way. We are paying for the previous generation's cost of life.

We just want it to be worth something, and no one is saying that any kind of training should GAURENTEE a certain job or pay, but there's no chance anymore. If we're lucky we might be left seat of a 777 by the time we're 55 or 60? No thanks. We want pay commensurate with the responsibility and sacrifices, and if we don't meet the standards, FIRE US. Don't sit back and say that "they want everything for free". We are out there paying for baby boomer's social security and medicare right now. On the other hand, don't complain when we see a job for what it is. You might be lucky you got in a certain time and made captain relatively fast, got hired by a major airline and got to jump up in the payscales before the bottom fell out, but most of us will not have that chance. It's simple economics and logic. There are way too many pilots and pilot jobs for pilots to be a scarce/valued resource. So they are not valued and the company just wants two people up front for the least amount of cost possible.

Entitlement is someone that went right into a major carrier, maybe from the military (I did my time too there), been sitting relatively stable in seniority at a major airline, maybe upgraded to captain. Otherwise, there are a lot of people out there that would do whatever it takes to have that same opportunity in a reasonable amount of time. Face it, the industry is broken. It's stopped. Who cares about experience when the job pays 20K a year? It's not a "serious" job, so obviously they are not going to attract "serious" pilots. You can tell yourself all day long you are a professional and that the company only hires professionals, but there's a lot more to that than words. I've worked at places that treat people like professionals, and airline piloting ain't it.