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ShyGuy 02-21-2013 06:21 PM


Yes it is legal to log it as PIC.
Are you saying if one has a PIC type on the A320, he can log PIC as sole manipulator for the legs he flies? And obviously not as PIC as far as the airlines are concerned? That sounds fishy.

For example, both SWA and Fedex specifically write that they want PIC not as sole manipulator of controls but as the one commander who signs off on the paperwork for the flight.

uboatdriver 02-21-2013 11:58 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1357632)
Are you saying if one has a PIC type on the A320, he can log PIC as sole manipulator for the legs he flies? And obviously not as PIC as far as the airlines are concerned? That sounds fishy.

For example, both SWA and Fedex specifically write that they want PIC not as sole manipulator of controls but as the one commander who signs off on the paperwork for the flight.

Yes, it is legal. If you are certificated with the proper category, class, and type, you can log it as PIC. However, only the FAA cares about that PIC time and you would be better off logging it as SIC.

DrangonStar45 02-22-2013 04:49 AM

I get that majors prefer 121 Jet PIC time, so where does 1000 hours PIC time in a King Air (200/90) in a part 91 operation stack up? Is it put above, side-by-side, or below a regional F.O with no turbine PIC? In theory, lets assume all the variables are same.

rickair7777 02-22-2013 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by DrangonStar45 (Post 1357830)
I get that majors prefer 121 Jet PIC time, so where does 1000 hours PIC time in a King Air (200/90) in a part 91 operation stack up? Is it put above, side-by-side, or below a regional F.O with no turbine PIC? In theory, lets assume all the variables are same.

All the variables being EXACTLY the same, the King Air guy would get it.

But the important variables actually DO include 121, glass, and jet, so our hypothetical "equal" king air guy would need to have already done time as a regional FO for the variables to be equal.

If your career is all 91, with king air PIC the biggest and most complex you are missing a whole bunch of check boxes. IMO this would all come down to internal connections...if you have good ones, you're in. If you don't, you will not be competitive off the street, probably even less competitive than a regional FO.

Someone will be along shortly to talk about how they pulled it off, but they'll probably forget to mention their Uncle Joe (the DAL regional CP). Yes, it can be done but the odds are not good. There are no absolute answers in aviation hiring but we can make a good ballpark guess at the odds.

DrangonStar45 02-22-2013 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 1358057)
All the variables being EXACTLY the same, the King Air guy would get it.

But the important variables actually DO include 121, glass, and jet, so our hypothetical "equal" king air guy would need to have already done time as a regional FO for the variables to be equal.

If your career is all 91, with king air PIC the biggest and most complex you are missing a whole bunch of check boxes. IMO this would all come down to internal connections...if you have good ones, you're in. If you don't, you will not be competitive off the street, probably even less competitive than a regional FO.

Someone will be along shortly to talk about how they pulled it off, but they'll probably forget to mention their Uncle Joe (the DAL regional CP). Yes, it can be done but the odds are not good. There are no absolute answers in aviation hiring but we can make a good ballpark guess at the odds.

Thanks for the info, I am still young, so hopefully I will have the rest of the boxes checked off when I get in a position to apply. Right now, I have 135 experience and glass/fms time (proline 21). Majority of my TPIC is in a King Air with some on the Metroliner. Hopefully some jet PIC time in the future, all avoiding the regionals.

galaxy flyer 02-23-2013 08:40 AM

Remember, the resume gets you the interview, the interview makes or breaks the possibility of a job offer. They don't hire resumes, they hire people. There are loads of furloughed 121 guys trying to find jobs, but lack TPIC having gotten hired without it. Any PIC, especially TPIC is valued.

GF


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