ilsbird

Hi Guys,

Have a question for everyone as I am a bit confused. I am a first officer in a regional and have been with them for about a year now. Well I just found out that the block time that I have been logging in my logbook till now, did not include the repo times for taking the plane out from the hangar to the terminal and back to the hangars on the trips that required repoing. Well I added the times up of Repos that I did not log, it comes up to 36 hours from the 1 yr I have been flying. Since I am a low time FO and need to meet the ATP mins by August, any time I can log is helpful. But I am confused how to log this, should I just put the 36 hours in one line in the logbook and write repos from past flights or what r the other alternates I have. Thank you.

Rotor2prop

Yes just do a one line entry in your log with 36hrs. In the comments section just put the reason for the entry and/or error.

RunwayOneSix

Personally, I would not count the surface movements such as hangar to terminal and back as flights. The primary reason is flight time is defined as time that commences when an aircraft moves under its own power for the purpose of flight and ends when the aircraft comes to rest after landing. The aeronautical experience requirements for ATP refers to flight time. You're gonna have headaches if questioned if you add the 36 hours. Just my 2 cents however...

galaxy flyer

If you are just repo'ing on the airport, that is, NOT for the purpose of flight can it be logged?

GF

RunwayOneSix

No, can't be logged as flight. It doesn't meet the FAA's definition of flight-time.

ilsbird

Well yea I know its not considered flight time, however I did ask the same questions to 5-6 different captains on my airline and they said I can log it since we were repoing the aircraft and performed the engine runups with the intent to go fly and we did, but did not put it in the block time. So that's why I was confused, but yea I do agree and that's one of the reason I did not want to put one line filled with 36 hours which looks out of place in the whole logbook.

Diver Driver

I wouldn't do it, but I can't really figure out what you're trying to log specifically. If you push from the gate, go runup and come back to the gate, it doesn't count.

Now, if you push from the gate, go runup for an hour and then taxi to the runway and takeoff for a 'test flight' or something like that, then it does count.

PS: 36 hours of 'repo' time from the gate to the hangar and back in one year sounds really suspect. If I were interviewing you for a job, or the FAA, I would question the validity of that. For it to count as flight time, in the eyes of the FAA, you have to push from the gate with the intent to go fly.

kais

Log it as regular flight time. You are in charge of the aircraft and are assuming responsibility for what happens to the plane. If you and the Captain decide to run the plane into a telephone pole, you will surely hear about this.

rickair7777

You really cannot log a surface repo, there is no intention to go fly.

Technically you can log an UNPLANNED return-to-gate since there was intent to go fly. I personally choose not to do so just to avoid muddying the waters. A 121 flight that lasted 15 minutes DTW-DTW might catch the eye of someone screening your logbook.

Now if I had 998 TPIC hours before I got downgraded, then I might go back and look at all those RTGs. Or if I was short 1500 on July 29th.

Yoda2

Don't be tempted to enter anything shady into your logbook, especially with this situation going on. Management and the Feds are likely to be on the lookout for P-51 time concerning this 1500 Hr deal anyway. Management and the Feds also know that, since the Wright brothers, many low time pilots already have some P-51 time; now is not the time to rub it in their face. I know it is rough being low time in general but we all had to pay our dues and it sucks sometimes. Remember, they want pilots and would probably love to have you back as soon as possible when qualified. If this is looking like a possibility stay in close touch with your company and go find some students or do flight reviews, currency flights, a temp or part time gig, Etc. This ain't nowhere near the end of the world for your career. I would much rather have a person come to me and say I had to leave my job (due to this) rather than see that in their logbook.