Student or SIC While at ALL ATPs?
03-15-2013, 11:29 AM
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Student or SIC While at ALL ATPs?
I completed the ATP training and checkride with ALL ATPs in a Seminole.
Would I consider that time as student or SIC?
Is there a chapter in the FARs that discusses when you are considered a student?
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Would I consider that time as student or SIC?
Is there a chapter in the FARs that discusses when you are considered a student?
TIA!
LC
03-15-2013, 11:55 AM
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I would consider that student time. You were logging dual-received the whole time, right?
SIC requires an aircraft which is typed for two pilots, or specific operation which requires two pilots under the FARs (or a 121/135 OPSPEC).
SIC requires an aircraft which is typed for two pilots, or specific operation which requires two pilots under the FARs (or a 121/135 OPSPEC).
03-15-2013, 12:13 PM
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Dual Rec. PIC
Thanks for that, and here's another one. . .
What's the difference between Dual Received PIC and PIC?
I'm going to wager that DR is an aircraft that has two sets of controls, but only requires one pilot.... I'll keep looking.
New to the civ/comm aviation world...
I'm looking online, but any leads or interpretation would be great.
Thanks again,
LC
What's the difference between Dual Received PIC and PIC?
I'm going to wager that DR is an aircraft that has two sets of controls, but only requires one pilot.... I'll keep looking.
New to the civ/comm aviation world...
I'm looking online, but any leads or interpretation would be great.
Thanks again,
LC
03-15-2013, 12:47 PM
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There's no such thing as "DR PIC"...or is that an airlineapps thing?
Airline apps wants you to separate out your legal PIC which was acquired while getting dual instruction from the PIC where you were not getting instruction.
Airline apps wants you to separate out your legal PIC which was acquired while getting dual instruction from the PIC where you were not getting instruction.
03-15-2013, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
There's no such thing as "DR PIC"...or is that an airlineapps thing?
Just like when you where getting instruction for your Comm ticket.
Assuming you were appropriately rated in the aircraft, you were the PIC and receiving Dual at the same time.
03-15-2013, 03:02 PM
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Student
Still researching and looking for any other input, but here's how I see it...
Since I was not rated in the Seminole, and I was under instruction, I'm calling it "Student".
If I'm wrong, at least I'm conservative.
Thoughts?
Since I was not rated in the Seminole, and I was under instruction, I'm calling it "Student".
If I'm wrong, at least I'm conservative.
Thoughts?
03-15-2013, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Thedude
Sure there is, we just never think about it that way.
Just like when you where getting instruction for your Comm ticket.
Assuming you were appropriately rated in the aircraft, you were the PIC and receiving Dual at the same time.
Just like when you where getting instruction for your Comm ticket.
Assuming you were appropriately rated in the aircraft, you were the PIC and receiving Dual at the same time.
03-15-2013, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Light Chop
Still researching and looking for any other input, but here's how I see it...
Since I was not rated in the Seminole, and I was under instruction, I'm calling it "Student".
If I'm wrong, at least I'm conservative.
Thoughts?
Since I was not rated in the Seminole, and I was under instruction, I'm calling it "Student".
If I'm wrong, at least I'm conservative.
Thoughts?
03-16-2013, 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Light Chop
Still researching and looking for any other input, but here's how I see it...
Since I was not rated in the Seminole, and I was under instruction, I'm calling it "Student".
If I'm wrong, at least I'm conservative.
Thoughts?
Since I was not rated in the Seminole, and I was under instruction, I'm calling it "Student".
If I'm wrong, at least I'm conservative.
Thoughts?
03-16-2013, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by thump
Who was in the airplane with you? ATP sometimes flies the Seminole with two students, but they might not be "student pilots" in the eyes of the FAA since they are both mult-rated and have >5 hrs in the seminole. If you are on a flight where there is no cfi onboard: for those flights, it is NOT DUAL RECEIVED. Dual received is ONLY if there is a CFI on board, full stop.
In that case the safety pilot can only log the flight time when the pilot was under the hood. There's no other way for both to log the time at a flight school.
*** Important: The safety pilot cannot log any XC time at all. Since he cannot log the moment of T/O and LDG the FAA recently ruled that the time cannot count as XC (which requires at least one T/O and LDG).
The SP can probably log SIC time if he wants to.
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