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John Carr 02-20-2014 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MCFlyer (Post 1586232)
I've come to a realization as I've aged and it has to do with the quality of an individual.

When you ask a plumber a car salesman how much experience he has, the standard reply is usually their age minus 15 or 20. So the average 55 year old plumber has 35 to 40 years of experience. With that much experience, you can only assume that a plumber who is 55 has to be superior to a plumber who is 35 who only has 15 to 20 years experience. Right?

In fact, I just had work done to my house that was done by a carpenter with many years of experience. Thankfully I rent, because ON PAPER, this guy had a boat load of experience but his work was terrible. His personality was even worse.

On paper, it is difficult to get a realistic impression on the quality of a pilot based solely on his numbers. And then there's the whole personality thing to consider.

Agree with all that. But for right here and right now, there's ENOUGH separating mil or reserve/guard pilots as well as civ pilots that have been treading water through the "dark decade" that are not only good people/good personalities AS WELL AS HIGHLY COMPETITIVE.

It's not like they just pull from WIA, they pull from the other job fairs as well. And other avenues or "silos" on top of that. All with great people showing up, great people with A LOT of qualifications. So more simply said, why not sift through them before somebody else grabs them up? It is what it is.............

And as far as ShyGuy's point goes, sure. How many of the males that go to WIA that DON'T contribute to WIA is a semi valid point. How many of the females that have been in WIA flat out stop contributing once they've gotten the job? Sorry, I've known more than a few. Just like former interns that were hired with way less than a competitive app that couldn't be bothered to help other former interns, just like a son and daughter at the UAL of old couldn't be bothered to help another s&d on the way up, etc.......

Spoilers 02-20-2014 05:11 PM

Which of the 3 days is best to attend? Less crowded/shorter wait? I'm assuming the first day of job fair is nuts?

ShyGuy 02-20-2014 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MCFlyer (Post 1586232)
I've come to a realization as I've aged and it has to do with the quality of an individual.

When you ask a plumber a car salesman how much experience he has, the standard reply is usually their age minus 15 or 20. So the average 55 year old plumber has 35 to 40 years of experience. With that much experience, you can only assume that a plumber who is 55 has to be superior to a plumber who is 35 who only has 15 to 20 years experience. Right?

In fact, I just had work done to my house that was done by a carpenter with many years of experience. Thankfully I rent, because ON PAPER, this guy had a boat load of experience but his work was terrible. His personality was even worse.

On paper, it is difficult to get a realistic impression on the quality of a pilot based solely on his numbers. And then there's the whole personality thing to consider.

That's what the interview is for. Weed out the bad personalities. But as the previous posters mentioned numerous times about this industry not hiring the most qualified pilots, the only fix is for everyone universally to stop recommending pilots. Otherwise the system will continue to run as hiring those who are well connected over those who are well qualified. But then again, the definition of well qualified is hard to quantify for a pilot.

Sliceback 02-20-2014 06:41 PM

What's "the most qualified"? Is that even required? Or is the standard really "good enough"? They're hiring guys to be FO's for at least 6-7 yrs and on average slightly longer. By the time they upgrade (12-15 yrs professional experience?) the experience gap will have closed significantly if not completely.

I've told less qualified guys - don't be intimidated. Yes, they're more competitive but your odds aren't zero. And who you are is part of the equation. On paper they might rank higher, in person some won't. Improve yourself and focus on fixing your weaknesses/holes in resume.

AeroCrewSolut 02-21-2014 02:16 AM

For planning purposes for our booth I asked WAI about the number of expected attendees for the 3 days. Their response was about 3300 people. :eek::eek:

FreighterGuyNow 02-21-2014 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SilkySmooth (Post 1585245)
Guys and Gals:

So I had been planning to attend the WIA conference in Orlando next month, that is, until I managed to break my ankle at my brother's bachelor party:-( (insert jokes here!). Additionally, I discovered that instead of standing in long lines to speak to recruiters, you'll now have to get in line for a fast pass, which will then allow you to schedule a specific time to speak to a recruiter.

So what do y'all think? Is it counterproductive for me to still attend the conference to speak to recruiters (for the majors)? Am going to be on crutches for another 6 weeks. Do you think it shows initiative for me to show up on crutches?:-)

Am a fairly new regional captain, looking to take the next step, and really don't want to pass up the opportunity to get some face-to-face time with so many recruiters. Looking for serious reactions and advice.

Hello Silky,

Since this thread went off the tracks after the second post and you never did get a real answer - then here's mine.

Go!

I've done the recruiting at these events. To me, showing up with a broken ankle would impress the recruiters as a real world display of your mettle. Any goofball can clean up their act for a day.

After meeting 200 people on such a short format, I found it impossible to recall who was who when the review board reconvened later in the week. Or the next week depending on everyone's schedule.

The person with the broken ankle? They WILL remember you.

Hope this helps.

flapsfail 02-21-2014 03:54 AM

How many want to bet a small percentage show up with crutches?
Anyway to get noticed....
Stay classy

gloopy 02-21-2014 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DakBroadbent (Post 1586219)
Last year, they made it clear men were very welcome. Took our money. And then grabbed all the women out of the long lines for the job fair and put them ahead of all the men. It was incredibly unclassy, IMO. The irony was comical. I only saw one woman refuse to jump the queue like that. I'd hire her.

OK that's pretty tacky if that's what happened. Junk like that does more to disparage the cause they are trying to promote.

gloopy 02-21-2014 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1586249)
That's what the interview is for. Weed out the bad personalities. But as the previous posters mentioned numerous times about this industry not hiring the most qualified pilots, the only fix is for everyone universally to stop recommending pilots. Otherwise the system will continue to run as hiring those who are well connected over those who are well qualified. But then again, the definition of well qualified is hard to quantify for a pilot.

Commercial aviation is a very, very small world though. With 12000 (ish) pilots and another 60K+ employees, how many pilots in this industry at the point of competitive mins can't scrounge up an internal recommendation? And if not, why not? Think about it.

Then repeat for AA, UAL, FX, UPS, SW, etc. etc. etc.

Even perrenial TOTD's have made some friends along the way. To not be able to come up with anything is simply proof that you're just not very motivated, aren't trying hard and have no concept of the CRM part of networking.

Any pilot that's interested and at the level of competitive mins should easily be able to scrounge up an internal rec or three. Easily.

gloopy 02-21-2014 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow (Post 1586476)
Hello Silky,

Since this thread went off the tracks after the second post and you never did get a real answer - then here's mine.

Go!

I've done the recruiting at these events. To me, showing up with a broken ankle would impress the recruiters as a real world display of your mettle. Any goofball can clean up their act for a day.

After meeting 200 people on such a short format, I found it impossible to recall who was who when the review board reconvened later in the week. Or the next week depending on everyone's schedule.

The person with the broken ankle? They WILL remember you.

Hope this helps.

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