Couldn't hack airline training
03-03-2014, 06:56 PM
#21
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It was 100% my fault. Poor scan and I was behind the aircraft. No doubt about it. I'll look into the right seat program, looks like a great idea. Thanks.
Do airlines generally invite people back, if so would it fix PRIA
Do airlines generally invite people back, if so would it fix PRIA
03-03-2014, 07:00 PM
#22
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Much Appreciated
Originally Posted by SimJumpSeat
Here's the bottom line:
1. PRIA.....if you took a DOT drug test and received compensation of any kind, DISCLOSE it to future employers.
2. "Washout / Failure" probably isn't the way to look at it. People are sometimes given the option when leaving jobs......"you can quit or we are going to fire you....your choice" That way they can go elsewhere and say they quit for whatever reason.......This sounds like your position with future employers......"I resigned because I was struggling in training and falling behind....I felt my previous experience of 1500 hours in a 182 wasn't very beneficial in airline training."
3. Most likely, nothing is wrong with you and you need to chalk this up as a learning experience and get back to work on the dream.
4. Companies like Flight Safety, Simcom, and Simuflite have "right seat" programs where they provide FREE training in exchange for your volunteer service as a supporting crew member for their single paying clients......the value of this training cannot be OVERSTATED for a low time pilot.
5. You will be able to land interviews in the future......100% guaranteed with some more training and better experience.......182 jumper time and crop dusting is about as worthless as it gets as it pertains to 121 CRM.
Relax and move on.
1. PRIA.....if you took a DOT drug test and received compensation of any kind, DISCLOSE it to future employers.
2. "Washout / Failure" probably isn't the way to look at it. People are sometimes given the option when leaving jobs......"you can quit or we are going to fire you....your choice" That way they can go elsewhere and say they quit for whatever reason.......This sounds like your position with future employers......"I resigned because I was struggling in training and falling behind....I felt my previous experience of 1500 hours in a 182 wasn't very beneficial in airline training."
3. Most likely, nothing is wrong with you and you need to chalk this up as a learning experience and get back to work on the dream.
4. Companies like Flight Safety, Simcom, and Simuflite have "right seat" programs where they provide FREE training in exchange for your volunteer service as a supporting crew member for their single paying clients......the value of this training cannot be OVERSTATED for a low time pilot.
5. You will be able to land interviews in the future......100% guaranteed with some more training and better experience.......182 jumper time and crop dusting is about as worthless as it gets as it pertains to 121 CRM.
Relax and move on.
Either way, this guy does need to get on with his dream. I'm getting ready to the same soon.
03-03-2014, 07:06 PM
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PRIA
Originally Posted by WannaBeDriver
It was 100% my fault. Poor scan and I was behind the aircraft. No doubt about it. I'll look into the right seat program, looks like a great idea. Thanks.
Do airlines generally invite people back, if so would it fix PRIA
Do airlines generally invite people back, if so would it fix PRIA
Geez, after hearing from other posters, I am thinking it would just be better to report it. Your previous employer may take you back, but you'll never know without asking.
Get over it ASAP. This was a stressfull and crushing experience for you, so get over it and go for it again.
03-03-2014, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by outaluckagain
I did not know Simuflite offered these opportunities. Any of time logable?
Either way, this guy does need to get on with his dream. I'm getting ready to the same soon.
Either way, this guy does need to get on with his dream. I'm getting ready to the same soon.
03-04-2014, 02:51 AM
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First of all it takes guts to come on here and admit you had some trouble, and even more kudos for not taking the wrong attitude towards this setback in your career.
I have been out of the flight training in the US for a long time, so i'll leave the creative suggestions to others, although I think sims are the correct tool for you at this stage. Sounds like you know how to fly a plane, just need to rediscover the tricks of instrument flying. I fly with a lot of young and inexperienced FO's who also tend to get fixated, lose scan, then get step behind, and suddenly surprised and overwhelmed. It all starts with that scan and staying a step ahead.
You'll know when your confidence is back, and fortunately you are in a time when regionals are more inclined to give second chances. Sounds odd, but the first place I'd start is the regional you just left. Draw up an action plan and send some e-mails to that airline now, let them know you are working on improving yourself. Keep them updated. Let them know when you are ready to take another crack at it and wow them with the next time around.
If they aren't interested, move on to the next, and don't be afraid to fully disclose what happened, especially in the interview. I'd be much more inclined to hire a guy who struggled a bit, but built his skills back up than with some hot shot who thinks this is easy.
Good luck to you and keep us posted
I have been out of the flight training in the US for a long time, so i'll leave the creative suggestions to others, although I think sims are the correct tool for you at this stage. Sounds like you know how to fly a plane, just need to rediscover the tricks of instrument flying. I fly with a lot of young and inexperienced FO's who also tend to get fixated, lose scan, then get step behind, and suddenly surprised and overwhelmed. It all starts with that scan and staying a step ahead.
You'll know when your confidence is back, and fortunately you are in a time when regionals are more inclined to give second chances. Sounds odd, but the first place I'd start is the regional you just left. Draw up an action plan and send some e-mails to that airline now, let them know you are working on improving yourself. Keep them updated. Let them know when you are ready to take another crack at it and wow them with the next time around.
If they aren't interested, move on to the next, and don't be afraid to fully disclose what happened, especially in the interview. I'd be much more inclined to hire a guy who struggled a bit, but built his skills back up than with some hot shot who thinks this is easy.
Good luck to you and keep us posted
03-04-2014, 05:57 AM
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[QUOTE=Do airlines generally invite people back, if so would it fix PRIA[/QUOTE]
Not trying to be a jerk. But, you need to stop worrying about PRIA while at the same time taking PRIA seriously. PRIA exists to track DOT employment......PERIOD.
PRIA REQUIRES YOU TO DISCLOSE ALL 135 & 121 JOBS WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS!!
If you get hired at another carrier without disclosing your previous employment, you have a 99.9% chance of being fired when your new employer finds out about your old one; regardless of why you left. Also, if they find out it was because of failures (highly unlikely in your case) what do you think the chance of being fired will be?
Disclose and move on.......there is no room for discussion when it comes to PRIA. "I withdrew from training at xjet because of.....yada yada yada."
Not trying to be a jerk. But, you need to stop worrying about PRIA while at the same time taking PRIA seriously. PRIA exists to track DOT employment......PERIOD.
PRIA REQUIRES YOU TO DISCLOSE ALL 135 & 121 JOBS WITHIN THE LAST 10 YEARS!!
If you get hired at another carrier without disclosing your previous employment, you have a 99.9% chance of being fired when your new employer finds out about your old one; regardless of why you left. Also, if they find out it was because of failures (highly unlikely in your case) what do you think the chance of being fired will be?
Disclose and move on.......there is no room for discussion when it comes to PRIA. "I withdrew from training at xjet because of.....yada yada yada."
03-04-2014, 10:18 AM
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I was in the same boat. I left my current company after Indoc for personal issues, and came back 2 months later. What do I report as my official hire date and do I tell prospective employers about it?
I like to keep my personal family issues to myself.
I like to keep my personal family issues to myself.
03-04-2014, 11:48 AM
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Honesty is the best policy, and as others have said it is best to fess up and take your lumps on this subject. It is by far the better option to report all prior failures even if you are sure they are not PRIA recorded. That way you are on solid ground. Any other path is risky at best, and while I do think a few pilots who have quit or washed out of non-PRIA training and did not report the event, they took an awful risk in so doing. Only you can weigh the decision having heard our advice. I would much rather admit I had an earlier "challenge" than to deny it and see other, far worse consequences.
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