Couldn't hack airline training
03-03-2014, 01:49 PM
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Couldn't hack airline training
I was just released from employment from a 121 carrier after not being able to hack sims. I was weak in the Instrument department, and that made it hard to focus on flows and profiles. Out of the 1800TT that I have, 1500 of it was flying jumpers in a 182.
They said it wouldn't be on my PRIA. I guess you learn from your mistakes, correct them. Time to saddle back up, and try again.
They said it wouldn't be on my PRIA. I guess you learn from your mistakes, correct them. Time to saddle back up, and try again.
03-03-2014, 01:56 PM
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Have you got your instrument instructor certificate? Get your CFII, and both the process of obtaining it and the end result of teaching students with it will help you fine tune your scan and other instrument skills. Get your MEI too. Before you go for your next 121/135 interview, get some sim time with a decent instructor. If I were you I would do all that before trying again and risking a washout at another carrier.
03-03-2014, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
Have you got your instrument instructor certificate? Get your CFII, and both the process of obtaining it and the end result of teaching students with it will help you fine tune your scan and other instrument skills. Get your MEI too. Before you go for your next 121/135 interview, get some sim time with a decent instructor. If I were you I would do all that before trying again and risking a washout at another carrier.
I don't have any CFI's, but I will get them now. Do I list XJet on my resume for 3 months?
03-03-2014, 02:42 PM
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My understanding (get other opinions) is if you were formally hired and you signed a contract of some kind for the job, or you were on payroll during the training when you washed out, then it was certainly a PRIA-recorded training event in accordance with FAA administrative law, and you must report it to any airline you apply to. However, some airlines circumvent the PRIA start date on purpose by informally hiring new pilots until they pass initial training, because they can use this as a way to entice low-time pilots. In the latter case, I believe you are ok to decide for yourself whether not to report a washout. The ethical side of it is another matter, I am not addressing that topic. You can also find out what your PRIA record looks like using Freedom of Information Act if you do not know, or just call the airline.
03-03-2014, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
My understanding (get other opinions) is if you were formally hired and you signed a contract of some kind for the job, or you were on payroll during the training when you washed out, then it was certainly a PRIA-recorded training event in accordance with FAA administrative law, and you must report it to any airline you apply to. However, some airlines circumvent the PRIA start date on purpose by informally hiring new pilots until they pass initial training, because they can use this as a way to entice low-time pilots. In the latter case, I believe you are ok to decide for yourself whether not to report a washout. The ethical side of it is another matter, I am not addressing that topic. You can also find out what your PRIA record looks like using Freedom of Information Act if you do not know, or just call the airline.
03-03-2014, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by deftone
Would a washout be looked at in an extremely negative light by a potential employer? Or do they accept it as just one of those things that can happen to a noob 121 pilot?
03-03-2014, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
My understanding (get other opinions) is if you were formally hired and you signed a contract of some kind for the job, or you were on payroll during the training when you washed out, then it was certainly a PRIA-recorded training event in accordance with FAA administrative law, and you must report it to any airline you apply to. However, some airlines circumvent the PRIA start date on purpose by informally hiring new pilots until they pass initial training, because they can use this as a way to entice low-time pilots. In the latter case, I believe you are ok to decide for yourself whether not to report a washout. The ethical side of it is another matter, I am not addressing that topic. You can also find out what your PRIA record looks like using Freedom of Information Act if you do not know, or just call the airline.
Advocating covering things up would be inexcusable and ill advised, but I think some clarification may be needed concerning the exact applications of PRIA.
I sure hope this guy doesn't have to report something that is not required to be reported. Lets see if any more information can be brought forward concerning PRIA. I may give AOPA a call and post next day or so.
03-03-2014, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by outaluckagain
Cubdriver, I have seen your posts advocating reporting washout of training as a reportable PRIA. I do appreciate the honesty aspect of what you are advising, but PRIA is required for people who worked as pilots for a 121 carrier. A new hire excusing himself from training due to poor scan, as this poster has indicated, may not count anything towards PRIA.
Advocating covering things up would be inexcusable and ill advised, but I think some clarification may be needed concerning the exact applications of PRIA.
I sure hope this guy doesn't have to report something that is not required to be reported. Lets see if any more information can be brought forward concerning PRIA. I may give AOPA a call and post next day or so.
Advocating covering things up would be inexcusable and ill advised, but I think some clarification may be needed concerning the exact applications of PRIA.
I sure hope this guy doesn't have to report something that is not required to be reported. Lets see if any more information can be brought forward concerning PRIA. I may give AOPA a call and post next day or so.
And working for a 121 carrier is passing a ride and obtaining a type. I've heard people leave training programs for various reasons
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