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Old 10-09-2015 | 06:48 AM
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Most Regionals are advertising 50 Multi hours, I am assuming that means 50 PIC, but I hate to assume.

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Old 10-09-2015 | 06:56 AM
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Not necessarily. Read the FAR 61 ATP aeronautical experience section, that's what they're getting after is ATP mins. IIRC SIC or even dual-received should count, I think the reg specifies just AMEL, not AMEL PIC.
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Old 10-09-2015 | 06:58 AM
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ATP mins do not specify PIC hours, just 50 hours of multi. you can also substitute 25 hours in a sim. so a lot are taking guys with 25 hrs total and using the sim time for the rest of the multi time requirements
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Old 10-09-2015 | 07:44 AM
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Most definitely not PIC unless it specifically states "ME PIC".
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Old 10-09-2015 | 08:53 AM
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Wow, first time in my aviation experience (mostly helicopter) where PIC didn't matter ! cool, thanks !
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Originally Posted by JayBee
Wow, first time in my aviation experience (mostly helicopter) where PIC didn't matter ! cool, thanks !
Don't confuse the requirements to get a certificate with what it takes to get hired.
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Old 10-09-2015 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Don't confuse the requirements to get a certificate with what it takes to get hired.
True statement. There's always been a diverging/converging line of where those points meet. And well as the difference between qualified (meets JUST THE MINIMUMS) and competitive (WELL ABOVE)

The current hiring climate has those line converging/touching, especially at the regionals.
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Old 10-09-2015 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Don't confuse the requirements to get a certificate with what it takes to get hired.
In the case of regionals, they are the same...
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
In the case of regionals, they are the same...
Hence my "converging" comment. Or rather, coincident.
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Old 10-24-2015 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
Don't confuse the requirements to get a certificate with what it takes to get hired.
Originally Posted by John Carr
True statement. There's always been a diverging/converging line of where those points meet. And well as the difference between qualified (meets JUST THE MINIMUMS) and competitive (WELL ABOVE)

The current hiring climate has those line converging/touching, especially at the regionals.
Originally Posted by rickair7777
In the case of regionals, they are the same...
So, I peruse these boards pretty regularly. It seems as though getting hired with just the minimums shouldn't be an issue if you don't have any incidents, accidents, DUI, etc, etc. - is that a fair assumption to make ?

Why I ask, I am a helicopter guy with almost 1500 hours and the helicopter market sucks really bad right now. Traditionally a 1000 PIC Helicopter got you a good job. Now its 1500 - 2000 PIC and 500 - 1000 turbine ! Where as traditionally in the helicopter world when you reached 1000 PIC the "turbine transition" was provided by your first turbine job.

So I am also PSEL rated and I can use the rest of my GI Bill and deployment money to get the airplane ratings and hours needed to meet the minimums. The wife is VERY nervous about me spending all our money and me not getting a job. So again, do the Regionals really need people so badly that minimums plus fogging a mirror and wearing pants to the interview gets you a job ?

I know no one has a crystal ball and can tell me the future. I was hoping maybe some industry recruiters or otherwise knowledgeable people could confirm or deny what I think the market looks like to me. Possibly 3 months from now ?

I have talked to the recruiters at one Regional that I was interested in and they will give me full credit for all my helicopter time. When I asked about how competitive I would be against an all airplane guy and just having the minimums, he said 'you'd be surprised'.

Sorry for the long rambling post, just trying to get down possibly relevant information. I've been working towards doing this since July. Lots of problems with VA converting my GI Bill to Post 9/11 and just getting a school to return a phone call !

Thanks, Jeff
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