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Old 03-22-2007, 07:05 AM
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Even less gloomy (or extremely gloomy depending on your perspective) is the fact that the FedEx retirement folks say they only pay out retirement benefits for on average 3 years--if guys are going to work past 60 they probably aren't going to make it very long...
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Old 03-22-2007, 08:38 AM
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I doubt any over 60 guys will want to retrain on the 757 or 777 if offered. At that elderly age I'll bet those senior citizens would prefer to stay in their current seat vs. going through another ground school, FAA oral, FTD's, sims etc...............
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Old 03-22-2007, 08:44 AM
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I doubt any over 60 guys will want to retrain on the 757 or 777 if offered. At that elderly age I'll bet those senior citizens would prefer to stay in their current seat vs. going through another ground school, FAA oral, FTD's, sims etc...............
I would bet Jetjok and Foxhunter bid the 777 (if they can) just so they'll have something to talk about in the nursing home (in between bingo games and ceramics class).

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Old 03-22-2007, 09:18 AM
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You, Captain, are the one who is wrong.

If you don't think an age 60 change will slow hiring down even more than it already has you are in serious denial. Why do you think there are about 5 guys per month in the 72 and the 10 going to the back seat? You think they just want to hang around? No, most are surely hoping they will get to return to a window seat.

Sure, we will grow with our new aircraft, but we would hire more, many more, if there wasn't a chance of age 60 changing.

The slow down has already started, it will keep guys on the street longer, and there is absolutely no way to deny it.
Possibly slow hiring, yes. But what's the primary driving factor, 300 new seats, or 120 retirements. FDX, like every other aviation organization (airlines, Air Force) I've ever been associated with, manages staffing levels through crisis management. Cut back till we're short, overhire till we have excesses. Currently, we are in a bean-counter driven cutback. Everyone in Ft Mgt knows we need around 30 newhires per month, come hell or high water. Some geek in upper management has said cut back hiring. Sometime soon, probably this summer after the start of the fiscal year, we will start hiring as many people as the training dept. can handle to catch up. And all the over 60 FEs don't cut hiring, they just drive the entry position to 72, MD11, and soon 757 FO. A couple years down the road, when the new rule takes affect, it will affect hiring, but at least at FDX, not enough to stop hiring, just slow it down some.

There has been a lot of nasty words and uninformed opinion thrown around the age 65 issue by both sides. Until the rule is in writing, and our CBA has been changed to reflect or accomodate it, no one can say for sure what affect it will have on you, me and the hiring situation IMHO
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Old 03-22-2007, 09:29 AM
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IMHO, there will be few geezers working past age 61.. There is a large reward to finish the year one turns 60 (birthday in June - work 'til Dec) for another "good year" for retirement and just a few months extra all nighters. As previousely mentioned in this thread, sick leave and vacation use is high at the end. Hiring will continue with minimal effect. If the NPRM goes thru, the big hurdle will be the next contract. THIS nearly old geezer will either retire early or be on strike if any whiff of raising the contractual retirement age arises. Hiring will be brisk right after the next MOAB (Soon!).
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3 years? I hope you makin that up.
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Old 03-22-2007, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sandman2122 View Post
I doubt any over 60 guys will want to retrain on the 757 or 777 if offered. At that elderly age I'll bet those senior citizens would prefer to stay in their current seat vs. going through another ground school, FAA oral, FTD's, sims etc...............
Hmm? They seem all too willing to train as a S/O. Nah, they would never go for the 777!
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Old 03-22-2007, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark View Post
I would bet Jetjok and Foxhunter bid the 777 (if they can) just so they'll have something to talk about in the nursing home (in between bingo games and ceramics class).

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No, I expect they would talk while playing Squash about some of the younger guys that never made it to age 55 because the always had too much of a craving for cookies!
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Old 03-22-2007, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by A300_Driver View Post
Even less gloomy (or extremely gloomy depending on your perspective) is the fact that the FedEx retirement folks say they only pay out retirement benefits for on average 3 years--if guys are going to work past 60 they probably aren't going to make it very long...
Hmm! Don't recall any age 60+ guys dropping?? They all seem to go on in tickn.
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Old 03-22-2007, 02:11 PM
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Hmm! Don't recall any age 60+ guys dropping?? They all seem to go on in tickn.

Haven't seen you on here for awhile. Busy studying your panel flows, eng?
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