DiamondZ

Any updates?

FDX28

what else do you want to know?

This situation has happend to SEVERAL class in the past couple years and I can personally attest you will get passover even if you don't train to the 727F/O seat, just follow the things in my prior post. (you didn't pass on an F/O slot in indoc, you have 727F/O in your standing bid, you have 727F/O in front of 727S/O or DC10S/O - and I doubt that you can hold DC10s/o anyway - it VERY senior). If not Mary Nelle is very easy to talk to.

DiamondZ

Just to tie up the loose ends for us short bus riders...

Do you have to bid 72 s/o?

Do you have to contact anyone or should this happen automatically?

If you want to bid WB, that must be first, naturally, and somewhere after, 72 f/o. This will trigger passover, assuming you never were given the option for 72 f/o during training?

Thanks

A-V-A-T-R

My understanding is you do not have to bid 727 SO, but if you do, it must be at a lower bid priority than 727 FO.

Gunter

Lots of folks talk in the hub or ask their buds to try and figure this thing out. Both of which I think are bad ideas. The only way to guarantee good info is to talk to or e-mail Marynelle. She is the one who generates and sends the notice to pay to start your passover. I believe ACPs and everyone else get their info from her.

I would not put SO anywhere on your bid. You are already an SO. They won't take it away from you.

BTW, you will only get passover with newhires junior to you in a better seat in certain circumstances. By starting newhire class between bids you are considered to have been a part of the last bid. Any newhire junior to you going to a higher seat will trigger passover after the one year mark, IF you did not turn down an FO position during indoc.

The reason is you are considered to have bid FO in the last bid (even though you weren't here yet) and it "should" have been offered to you in newhire class if any slots were still available. Giving out all the FO slots early is not optimal. The company wants to space out FO training as FO's go to MD and Airbus school AND encourage you to go to widebody FO instead of 727 FO on the next bid.
This helps the company keep manning semi-normal and will minimize training costs.

SNAFU

Bid 72 FO! Anything above that is gravy and you might hold it, but if you don't bid the FO seat you won't get passover from new hires going to the right seat. If you want widebody passover (purple nuggets) you need to bid ANC MD-11 FO. The only downside is be prepared to go to that seat for training if they decide to send you and also the possibility that you will be in that seat for at least a year or more.

Good luck, we're all counting on you.

FDX28

Do you have to bid 72 s/o? You should already have a 727s/o award (what you got in indoc) so no you don't have to put it in. But if you elect to stay on the panel (ie don't put in anything in the standing bid - leave it as a 999) you won't get the pay.

Do you have to contact anyone or should this happen automatically? It automatically happened for me. Mary Nelle T. sent me the e-mails as well as Pat D. But if you're still worried, go talk to Lisa, Ron M or any other FOA and they'll get you started in the right direction.

If you want to bid WB, that must be first, naturally, and somewhere after, 72 f/o. This will trigger passover, assuming you never were given the option for 72 f/o during training? You are correct sir. My last standing bid was MD11, A300, 727f/o. I was awarded the 11 and got the passover but only NB passover since I didn't bid ANC.