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Originally Posted by dera
(Post 3609389)
Atlas had 33 planes flying at 0230Z on 3/18, and 80 flying on the day of 3/18. Are you just looking at 5Y flights? We had plenty of Polar and such callsigns in the air then as well. Cherry picking a certain time is not really representative of activity levels.
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Originally Posted by Wingdeagle11
(Post 3609392)
Good point ! Unfortunately there are some “smart” folks on this site using flight trackers as a representation of an airline’s current business LOL
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Originally Posted by Wingdeagle11
(Post 3609392)
Good point ! Unfortunately there are some “smart” folks on this site using flight trackers as a representation of an airline’s current business LOL
Nice deflection, chief! It's not surprising that you'd rather split hairs on the number of flights in the air rather than discuss WG's financial difficulties. Do you think it's a good thing that WG/ownership are getting sued for financial issues? (especially when they seem to lose every case or settle before trial) Do you think having crew credit cards declined is a good sign? Do you think dropping the credit limits (to 10% of what they were before) on the crew credit cards is a good sign? Do you think the current level of WG flying can support the massive amount of interest that's required to service their debt? Do you think grounding the majority of the MD fleet is a good thing? Do you really think you can trust anything that comes out of Estero or their fanbois? How's recruiting going? Anyone who's qualified to work at WG can find a job somewhere else. Why would anyone want to start at WG when the owner's main focus in life seems to be getting rid of ALPA at WG?
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 3609458)
You can pick up an obscure time on a sunday night and I bet it looks like UPS and Fedex are going out of business too.
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Originally Posted by WGTruth
(Post 3609545)
Nice deflection, chief! It's not surprising that you'd rather split hairs on the number of flights in the air rather than discuss WG's financial difficulties.
Do you think it's a good thing that WG/ownership are getting sued for financial issues? (especially when they seem to lose every case or settle before trial) Do you think having crew credit cards declined is a good sign? Do you think dropping the credit limits (to 10% of what they were before) on the crew credit cards is a good sign? Do you think the current level of WG flying can support the massive amount of interest that's required to service their debt? Do you think grounding the majority of the MD fleet is a good thing? Do you really think you can trust anything that comes out of Estero or their fanbois? How's recruiting going? Anyone who's qualified to work at WG can find a job somewhere else. Why would anyone want to start at WG when the owner's main focus in life seems to be getting rid of ALPA at WG? Apples and oranges. Just pick some random times, day or night, any day of the week, and see what's in the air for WG and the other companies that do the same type of flying. Right now, WG has one plane in the air. It must be a light load out of NRT, since they're not stopping in ANC. So here are my questions to you: 1. with so much knowledge about the company you must still be employed at WG ? If so, what holds YOU back from leaving ? You obviously know much more than most of us regular line folks, so you must be in management or someone is leaking stuff to you ? 2. you are a disgruntled ex-employee who has nothing in mind but drag this company through the mud as sort of a “payback” ? (I think no. 2 is correct). Do you think it’s a smart thing to post company details that may be confidential ? There are plenty of issues which might need to be addressed; APC is certainly not the place for it. Good luck with your job hunt, if you are still at WG :-) |
Originally Posted by WGTruth
(Post 3609545)
Nice deflection, chief! It's not surprising that you'd rather split hairs on the number of flights in the air rather than discuss WG's financial difficulties.
Do you think it's a good thing that WG/ownership are getting sued for financial issues? (especially when they seem to lose every case or settle before trial) Do you think having crew credit cards declined is a good sign? Do you think dropping the credit limits (to 10% of what they were before) on the crew credit cards is a good sign? Do you think the current level of WG flying can support the massive amount of interest that's required to service their debt? Do you think grounding the majority of the MD fleet is a good thing? Do you really think you can trust anything that comes out of Estero or their fanbois? How's recruiting going? Anyone who's qualified to work at WG can find a job somewhere else. Why would anyone want to start at WG when the owner's main focus in life seems to be getting rid of ALPA at WG? Apples and oranges. Just pick some random times, day or night, any day of the week, and see what's in the air for WG and the other companies that do the same type of flying. Right now, WG has one plane in the air. It must be a light load out of NRT, since they're not stopping in ANC. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 3609458)
You can pick up an obscure time on a sunday night and I bet it looks like UPS and Fedex are going out of business too.
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Originally Posted by Wingdeagle11
(Post 3609578)
No one is denying that the current months are challenging, but I am just a regular line guy and don’t have all the information you are able to obtain (or fabricate ?).
So here are my questions to you: 1. with so much knowledge about the company you must still be employed at WG ? If so, what holds YOU back from leaving ? You obviously know much more than most of us regular line folks, so you must be in management or someone is leaking stuff to you ? 2. you are a disgruntled ex-employee who has nothing in mind but drag this company through the mud as sort of a “payback” ? (I think no. 2 is correct). I'm honest and honorable. My spelling and grammar are okay. It's obvious that I'm not in Western Global management! The disgruntled ex-employee narrative is what HR rolls out every time someone says something they don't like. Didn't they say exactly the same thing when WG fired a whistleblower? You know, the guy who had his termination reclassified to a resignation. You remember, the guy with the confidential settlement. Anyone who's interested in the truth and some hard facts can find the latest lawsuit by searching: Case 2:23-cv-00308-TL It was initially filed on 3/6/23 in the Western District of Washington. |
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Someone asked why WG is different than passenger carriers with the same rating. IT'S THE LIQUIDITY! Their planes are flying and generating revenue.
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Originally Posted by WGTruth
(Post 3609831)
Someone asked why WG is different than passenger carriers with the same rating. IT'S THE LIQUIDITY! Their planes are flying and generating revenue.
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You're naive to believe management's spin. WG has few customers and very little flying. The credit rating agencies have taken notice and published their opinions for all to see. You should believe what they say:"Relative to a larger air cargo airline Rand Parent (Atlas Air; BB/Stable), WGA faces higher liquidity risks with its revolver fully drawn and greater operational challenges to compete for pilots. WGA also has weaker credit metrics than Atlas." Note that Atlas is rated as STABLE while Western Global is characterized as NEGATIVE WATCH.
Planes parked on the ramp undergoing "heavy maintenance" in the sun? That's a tough sell. I think the head of marketing did the best he could with this fact: "WG is exploring new opportunities worldwide." It was the owners greed that lead to this crisis. A picture is worth a thousand words! See previous post. Right now, Atlas has 23 planes in the air. Kalitta has ten. Western Global has zero. It seems the cargo downturn has hit only one airline very hard. |
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