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WGTruth 03-20-2023 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by ObadiahDogberry (Post 3610328)
For someone who has “Truth” as part of their screen name, you have to admit it is true that 38 sectors over the past ten days, while not great utilization, is, in fact, infinitely greater than your assertion of “zero” flying. Or is that part of the truth not as important as hyperbole?

Bro, your argument is pathetic. Of those 38 segments, how many were ferry flights into or out of RSW or SHV? How many were ferry flights out of other airports? My count is 12 total ferry flights. So, a fleet of 18 planes flew 26 revenue legs in a 10 day period. Like I said, at any random point of time on any given day, WG is likely to have zero flights in the air. That low level of utilization is NOT happening at our competition! I’d be willing to bet that Atlas or Kalitta has probably had one single plane that’s flown that many segments in a 10 day period.

On a more positive note, I’m sure WG is killing it on the Managua - Columbus flights. That’s a very lucrative route that all cargo carriers compete aggressively for. That one live MD11 leg with a ferry flight on each end must pay millions!

And, in the interest of fairness, please share with everyone how many of the MD11 fleet have been permanently parked.

ObadiahDogberry 03-20-2023 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by WGTruth (Post 3610425)
Bro, your argument is pathetic. Of those 38 segments, how many were ferry flights into or out of RSW or SHV? How many were ferry flights out of other airports? My count is 12 total ferry flights. So, a fleet of 18 planes flew 26 revenue legs in a 10 day period. Like I said, at any random point of time on any given day, WG is likely to have zero flights in the air. That low level of utilization is NOT happening at our competition! I’d be willing to bet that Atlas or Kalitta has probably had one single plane that’s flown that many segments in a 10 day period.

On a more positive note, I’m sure WG is killing it on the Managua - Columbus flights. That’s a very lucrative route that all cargo carriers compete aggressively for. That one live MD11 leg with a ferry flight on each end must pay millions!

And, in the interest of fairness, please share with everyone how many of the MD11 fleet have been permanently parked.

I am not disagreeing with you about the low utilization. But your assertion that there is “zero” flying is demonstrably wrong, and anything but “truth”. Stop with the hyperbole.

Wingdeagle11 03-21-2023 05:51 AM

“That low level of utilization is NOT happening at our competition!”[/QUOTE]

You mean you are still at WG with everyone else hiring ? Apparently our competition is doing quite well, so why not apply ? From what I hear the door to leave is always open.

“And, in the interest of fairness, please share with everyone how many of the MD11 fleet have been permanently parked”.[/QUOTE]

If you cared about fairness, you would not be mudslinging and spinning here on APC. Only ONE MD has been permanently parked and it’s in MHV now.

With every post you are discrediting yourself more and more. Sad.

WGTruth 03-21-2023 06:33 AM

RIGHT. NOW. WG HAS ZERO FLIGHTS IN THE AIR.

Maybe they'll get one or two flying before the Z day is over, but right now, ZERO.

Atlas - 27
Kalitta - 13
WG - ZERO

Someone's not being honest about the MD11 fleet. On a recent "huddle" it was stated that half would be parked and a couple would be used as spares. It sounds like there's not enough pilots to crew even half of the MD fleet!

C17B74 03-21-2023 11:08 AM

Maybe they run one very short leg with a very nice layover.

maxjet 03-22-2023 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by WGTruth (Post 3610825)
RIGHT. NOW. WG HAS ZERO FLIGHTS IN THE AIR.

Maybe they'll get one or two flying before the Z day is over, but right now, ZERO.

Atlas - 27
Kalitta - 13
WG - ZERO

Someone's not being honest about the MD11 fleet. On a recent "huddle" it was stated that half would be parked and a couple would be used as spares. It sounds like there's not enough pilots to crew even half of the MD fleet!

I read your scorched earth post and have to wonder. Are you really a pilot at WG?

WGTruth 03-22-2023 11:58 AM

WG has a plane in the air. It's the MD11 Managua - Columbus flight. WINNING!


Originally Posted by maxjet (Post 3611455)
I read your scorched earth post and have to wonder. Are you really a pilot at WG?

What do you think damages an airline more:

a) A pilot speaking the truth on the internet, even if some people don’t want to hear it or believe it.

b) An airline owner who “cashes out” by forcing his employees to buy 1/3 of his company for a price that’s higher than the true value of the entire airline, thereby saddling the company with $56 Million a year in interest payments and massive debt.

c) Having retired military pilots with full pensions trying to convince young pilots that unions are a bad thing.

d) Having every manager at the airline dedicated to destroying the pilot union rather than managing the daily operations and solving problems.

e) A Dutch pilot (fortunate to be working in America) who tells an airline owner: “These American pilots are spoiled. I can bring you plenty of foreign guys who’ll be happy to work for what you are paying and will not complain about sitting in the back row, middle economy seat during their 16 hour deadhead.” And then he brings a bunch of foreign “contract” pilots……during a downturn in flying.

f) Having low pay, inhumane travel and poor benefits during an airline pilot shortage.

maxjet 03-23-2023 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by WGTruth (Post 3611650)
WG has a plane in the air. It's the MD11 Managua - Columbus flight. WINNING!



What do you think damages an airline more:

a) A pilot speaking the truth on the internet, even if some people don’t want to hear it or believe it.

b) An airline owner who “cashes out” by forcing his employees to buy 1/3 of his company for a price that’s higher than the true value of the entire airline, thereby saddling the company with $56 Million a year in interest payments and massive debt.

c) Having retired military pilots with full pensions trying to convince young pilots that unions are a bad thing.

d) Having every manager at the airline dedicated to destroying the pilot union rather than managing the daily operations and solving problems.

e) A Dutch pilot (fortunate to be working in America) who tells an airline owner: “These American pilots are spoiled. I can bring you plenty of foreign guys who’ll be happy to work for what you are paying and will not complain about sitting in the back row, middle economy seat during their 16 hour deadhead.” And then he brings a bunch of foreign “contract” pilots……during a downturn in flying.

f) Having low pay, inhumane travel and poor benefits during an airline pilot shortage.

I don’t doubt anything you write. However what is the point? It is clearly not making you happier, nor is it changing the company.

Anybody who goes to work there should be prepared for the worse. For most pilots it is a means to an end.

My statement was more about you. Are you a pilot? If you are, then why would you stay there? A qualified pilot can make 4-500k as a LCA at the regionals right now.

JohnBurke 03-23-2023 06:57 AM

What regional line check airman is making five hundred thousand a year?

dera 03-23-2023 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3612041)
What regional line check airman is making five hundred thousand a year?

Some AA WO ones are. 1300/hr when working on a day off adds up.


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