Don't you mean AARP guy?

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Everything of import the union asks you to do is "voluntary" due to the Railway labor act and threat of lawsuit. Some things may only be hints of action. But action is important none the less.

You newness and lack of experience are showing. I hope you learn how this airline thing works soon.

If you never figure it out, I can only count you as one of those over sensitive me-me type of people. Someone who makes a career out of being offended and crying "I only want what is fair".

Exploit = flying a pairing the union has declared in dispute. It is an action that benefits you at the expense of others.



How many contract provisions or policies allowed by the contract are actively being "disputed" by the union? If the answer is only the onerous pairings identified by the SIG, looking at an individual's calender will do nothing. Unless you plan on stalking the person for no other reason than comments on message board. Those that fly disputed pairings are right out in the open. Anyone can look at their actions. If you are so emotionally hurt on a message board where there are only words (no actions directed against anyone), you need a rest.

What are you going to do with the employee numbers of those with opinions you don't like? I'm thinking you want to take them straight to management and "tell" on the bad boys on the playground. You are starting to frighten me, that's your intent isn't it??




On second thought--

It's too much of a sacrifice to not fly a disputed pairing. You're right. What was I thinking of asking you to support the membership in such a small way? Make sure you report to the CP I am with you 100%. (Too scared to fight anymore....)

Oh Really? Here's an exerpt from our CBA, SEC 25 BB.F.1.c:

Additionally, if on a recurring basis, a pairing, disputed or not, appears in open time and is routinely avoided by pilots trip trading or eligible for make-up, OTP, etc., and therefore must be assigned to a reserve pilot, the above procedure shall apply, unless the Association elects to pursue the VP/MEC Chairman track instead.

Ever wonder why we get all that info from the SIG on DP's every month? You might want to log onto the ALPA website and go to the SIG committees web page.


Otherwise, we have these choices concerning your character:

a) Maggot
b) Moron

Lets start with you - identify yourself so we know who or what we are dealing with.


My calendar has always been open and will remain so!



I exploit every section of the contract I can for gain, but not at the expense of fellow members (like flying disputed pairings).


Who is the we? Do you have a turd in your pocket?

Yeah, let's stop the misinformation.

Letter of Agreement? Get with the times! Consult your contract, Section 25.BB. Scheduling - Scheduling Improvement Group (SIG)

First of all, why would the SIG identify a pairing as unacceptable, and dipsute its suitability for our system?

25.BB.C. Responsibilities of the SIG
__1. Oversee Monthly Pairing and Line Construction Process
____a. Pairing Construction
______i. Manage Pairing GenerationDid you put all that together? The SIG is responsible for generating pairings that are flyable in terms of quality of life!

Do you think it matters what crews think about pairings? Do you think we should just accept whatever they throw at us? The contract says the SIG should consider crew desires, among other things, when evaluating pairings and lines:

25.BB.C. Responsibilities of the SIG
__1. Oversee Monthly Pairing and Line Construction Process
____c. Evaluation CriteriaSo, what happens when the SIG determines that a pairing does not meet those standards? The process for disputing a pairing is formalized. If the dispute cannot be resolved, the lines are built without them, and the pairings go into Open Time.

25.BB.E. Resolution of Disputes Regarding Specific Pairings
__5.a.Who has to fly disputed pairings? Only pilots assigned the disputed pairings in a Reserve Status must fly them.

So, you say big deal. What difference does it make if you pick up a disputed pairing here or there because you just feel like it?

Keep reading.

If The Association SIG members elect to pursue the dispute further, they will choose one of two "tracks" for "Final Resolution of Scheduling Disputes."

25.BB.E. Resolution of Disputes Regarding Specific Pairings
__7. Here are the two tracks, and I've highlighted some important details:
25.BB.F. Final Resolution of Scheduling Disputes: SIG Neutral TrackIf that Scheduling Dispute Board, after reviewing the appropriate data, including the flying history (did the pilots agree with the SIG, or did they grab 'em out of Open Time like homeless in a bread line?), cannot resolve the dispute, the ALPA SIG has the option to send it to an "independent neutral" who will gather facts, report findings, and offer a recommendation to the Sr. V.P. of Air Ops. (Sec. 25.BB.F.2) Important facts and findings will include whether pilots voluntarily flew the pairing, or whether it was left to Reserve assigment.

25.BB.G. Final Resolution of Scheduling Disputes: VP/MEC Chairman Track Once again, the data gathered to justify the reconstruction of a disputed pairing will include the history of flying that pairing. If the pilots demonstrate, by voluntarily flying the disputed pairing, that they disagree with the SIG's assessment, they effectively cut the legs out from under our SIG.

Now, where in there did you see that we should treat a disputed pairing just like any other pairing in Open Time?



If you'd like to identify yourself, be my guest. My identity is no secret to those who need to know. I have said nothing here that I wouldn't say to anybody's face. And I know how to spell criticize. (Sorry, you did it twice, and even after I pointed it out once -- no slack.) Go bark up another tree.

:)


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Hey Tony,

That's weird. We must have the same copy of our CBA.

Wouldn't it be nice if everyone did?

So we have a similar situation here at Brown too.

We patterned our language after your language.

Dangerous pairings are identified and removed from the bid package and put in open time AFTER the line adjustments have been made. Then they are in opentime....

So what's the big deal? Are you suprised when a "crappy" trip is picked up? If it's so unsafe, then it should be rebuilt to make it less unsafe.

Of course guys on both sides of the brown/purple fence pick this crap up. But instead of a witch hunt and having a blanket party for the poor bastard who would DARE to pick up a trip (IAW his contractual rules that you all voted on and PASSED), why don't you attack the problem of initial line construction instead? (Oh no, that would be tougher because then I'd be fighting the company out in the open, instead of one individual...)

What's the most important issue to a Union? UNITY!! So why didn't the pilot groups negotiate tighter construction and schedule adjustment caps? Is FedEx in an announced furlough position? Or, are you hiring as fast as your training center allows right now?

Growth, what a terrible problem. Lot's of high time liness, lots of uncovered trips, lots of open time pick-up. Lots of opportunity for manglement to foul things up, including your QOL!! That's the fact of life boys. I know a UPS pilot that was maxing out at 190/hour last year and stated that if only he could get a good raise, he wouldn't have to work so much.

Well this guy got his wish, got the raise to $223/hour, and now he is working MORE. He can't miss a contractual angle/out for the cap becasue NOW he can really make some bucks.....:rolleyes:

My advice, instead of trying to ferret out and JUDGE individuals that pick up time, or fly trip you think they shouldn't, contact you union rep and volunteer your time and experience and craft that future language that will prevent such terrible activity in your future carreer.

PS. Good luck:D

This is the dumbest thing I've heard or read all week. It is also the most selfish...by far.

Hopefully, we are just extremely misinformed about this, and someday might figure things out a little bit and figure out the program. Tony filled in the details very well.

Otherwise, with an attitude like that, it could be a long and lonely career. :(