Atsg incompetence
09-09-2018, 01:14 PM
#21
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Even better revenge....once this place goes into the memory books, all of the remaining haters of pilots at ABX can blame us for losing their jobs. ABX HR better stock up on unemployment handouts for distribution in the near future.
09-09-2018, 01:38 PM
#22
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09-09-2018, 07:00 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by Tumbl3weed
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09-10-2018, 08:03 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by C7fr8dog
ONLY ABX/ATSG management could make an airline so miserable that nobody cares anymore what happens. At least we aren’t afraid of loosing our jobs now. In 2009 we gave 40% concessions. Every employee group was rewarded except the pilots. Management will try to have everyone believe that the strike was flight crews fault but even history will show you that happy employees do NOT strike. Employees that are treated well do not strike.
ATSG has done the complete opposite. They bought ATI with our money to use against us. They under staffed the airline on purpose so that our brothers dropped off the list and new hires could come in.
They tried with holding vacations. They agreed to a 40% concessionary contract in 2009 and now just want more even though it was our frozen pension that allowed the survival of ABX.
Now ATSG is profitable and refuses to even acknowledge us. They like to play that we are simply an ACMI carrier now. Why would anyone want to work for an ACMI carrier. Clearly it’s never anyone’s first choice. Now even in the ACMI world why would anyone want to work for an ACMI that has management that has a LONG history of a Lorenzo type management practices?? An ACMI where upgrades take 20+ years. An ACMI where there is NEGATIVE growth. An ACMI where the parent company leases your assets directly to your competition. An ACMI that quite frankly is not even prepared to work with the customers it has.
ABX is an airline that has a proven failed management team at the helm.
ABX AIR is now the Tintantic. Management is the poorly redesigned hull that used short cuts due to cost. We the pilots at ABX are the passengers. There is nothing we can do to save this ship. It’s all up to people with a higher pay grade than mine.
#ATSG #ABX AIR
ATSG has done the complete opposite. They bought ATI with our money to use against us. They under staffed the airline on purpose so that our brothers dropped off the list and new hires could come in.
They tried with holding vacations. They agreed to a 40% concessionary contract in 2009 and now just want more even though it was our frozen pension that allowed the survival of ABX.
Now ATSG is profitable and refuses to even acknowledge us. They like to play that we are simply an ACMI carrier now. Why would anyone want to work for an ACMI carrier. Clearly it’s never anyone’s first choice. Now even in the ACMI world why would anyone want to work for an ACMI that has management that has a LONG history of a Lorenzo type management practices?? An ACMI where upgrades take 20+ years. An ACMI where there is NEGATIVE growth. An ACMI where the parent company leases your assets directly to your competition. An ACMI that quite frankly is not even prepared to work with the customers it has.
ABX is an airline that has a proven failed management team at the helm.
ABX AIR is now the Tintantic. Management is the poorly redesigned hull that used short cuts due to cost. We the pilots at ABX are the passengers. There is nothing we can do to save this ship. It’s all up to people with a higher pay grade than mine.
#ATSG #ABX AIR
Isn’t that a swear word ?
09-10-2018, 01:56 PM
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What’s ABX have for a new hire?
Originally Posted by Whitesnake
You hit the nail on the head with the Lorenzo comparison.
Isn’t that a swear word ?
Isn’t that a swear word ?
1-ZERO GROWTH-negative growth
2-NO UPGRADES-unless you’ve been here over 20 years then only maybe.
3-WHIPSAWED BY MGMNT-repeatedly
4-NO HOME BASING-CVG Domicile. Commute with no protection.
5-NO KCM-sister Airline with Home basing has it tho.
6-NO HOTEL POINTS-non-potable water in MTY Hotel
7-LOW 1st YR PAY
8-LEASES AC DIRECTLY TO COMPETITION- Ameri-Jet, Atlantic West, and the list goes on.
9-NO PASS BENEFITS FOR TRAVEL
ALL THIS EQUALS= ????
You make the choice but I know what I’d do.
09-14-2018, 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JustOvIt
This place is such a cesspool. Oct bid awards came out around 5 pm
Hour later scheduling advises us they need time to adjust them tomorrow morning. What a joke.
Status quo violation ???
Hour later scheduling advises us they need time to adjust them tomorrow morning. What a joke.
Status quo violation ???
09-14-2018, 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JustOvIt
This place is such a cesspool. Oct bid awards came out around 5 pm
Hour later scheduling advises us they need time to adjust them tomorrow morning. What a joke.
Status quo violation ???
Hour later scheduling advises us they need time to adjust them tomorrow morning. What a joke.
Status quo violation ???
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Wow....so early....at Atlas the bid package doesn't even come out until the 18th. We might know next month the week before.
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