Who is? ABX?


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Some still show up even though there is a 50% chance they fail training or quit within the first 2 years. Alot of guys are even quitting to go to other ACMI carriers!

Yes....classes thru Aug.

The problem for ABX is folks are leaving faster than they can replace them. We even had a 25+ year captain leave for UPS recently. The FO list shrinks every month. A sinking ship.

And it’s just getting started good. The floodgates are about to break loose. Premium pay reminiscent of 2016 is right around the corner.

This might be true. New crew letter from VP of ops announcing Captain classes starting in May and new hire classes through September due to increased Amazon flying. Also acknowledged coming retirements and “forecast attrition.” D6 days are probably coming. Soap scum might want to consider getting serious about CBA negotiations.

Soap scum serious about negotiations. Lol The guy and his team have been at abx for over 2 years and agreed on 1 definition. You think he will ever be serious?

This year is setting up just like 2016. For those that were not around then he is a short is history lesson.

ABX needed to hire for growth. They didn't start in time and when pilots did finally start to come they realized this place is a dumpster fire and quit in droves.
Pilots went on strike because vacations were big denied. Everyone was forced to work on days off.

Fast forward to today pilots still quitting and going back to regionals, going to omni and Kalitta, and Any other place as soon as the phone rings. They can't keep up with attrition and there is no way they can hire for any growth because when they do finally get a class together some get smart and turn down the class date.

I'm going to make a bold prediction 4 the 4th qu 2019 everybody will be getting jr manned yet again because theu will be about 20 pilots short. Fun fun... required to work on your days off!

And work on days off and not get paid! You have to fight for your pay! And still don’t get it!

[QUOTE=point432;2782537]Who is? ABX?


Thats funny. The typical question when someone asks who you work for and then after you say (any acmi...abx, ati, omni, atlas) they get this look on their face like......ohh you're not a real pilot.

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Thats what our friends and family ask us all the time. Usually they assume ABX was some sort of toilet cleaner.

You want cool bag tags from the pilot shop at CVG? 500 pilot minimum just to get started. Otherwise 200 is just a waste of time to them. I was asked, “who is ABX?”


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[QUOTE=point432;2784736]Boy it's really too bad you did not figure out this earth shaking news before you decided to work in the ACMI world....you could have gone straight to United or Delta or American. I am sure its heart breaking.

[QUOTE=ACMItrash;2784671]I have never actually had this happen. Of course I don’t introduce myself as a pilot so the subject doesn’t always come up. Hmmmm maybe it is you.
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Bye Bye Furloughees...
 

This strategy sure helped purge a seniority list cluttered with remnants of previous furloughs who hit the 7-year marker. Nicely played, JH!!

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I mean, they already know i’m a pilot. Its just when I changed jobs and explaining it then.


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[QUOTE=point432;2784917]That's like trying to explain how you get 5 weeks off in a row multiple times each year and still get paid.....why bother? I used to tell my father in law they fired me again. He eventually quit asking...

ABX Interview - Is it worth it?
 

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Hahah! Great response, I’m stealing it.

Working 121 FFD a little while now, my mother still asks “your home nearly half the month, sometimes more, and you still have a legitimate job?????”

ABX Interview - Is it worth it?
 

Any comments or thoughts????? Buehler... Buehler...

Long interesting article, detailed, good comparisons? I find it very interesting, and much more light needed into 121 cargo carriers...

Meat and bones in the middle to end.

How accurate is the information being presented about amazon & also ABX?

https://markets.businessinsider.com/...9-3-1028050092

That article hits the nail on the head!


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Business Insider did their homework for this article. Additionally, they revealed safety issues with hiring low time inexperienced pilots. Unfortunately ABX is considered a distressed carrier.....stay away!

Thanks... Filler

ABX Interview - Is it worth it?
 

Ok thanks.

So I’m confused at times between ABX, Atlas and Southern. From what I’m reading ABX is hiring & filling classes with less experienced applicants in its pilot pool? This is because few pilots with experience are applying, and the ones that do are scared off once they do their research or learn more about the pay and working conditions???

What realistic outcome does this pilot group have? I mean if business as usual continues as it is now, what is the expectation/time-line for improvements?

Or do many of you feel only a Colgan (cargo version) accident/major incident will cause change to happen at ABX. If so, that is very sad to sit and wait for it.

I respect you guys fighting overall, i will find my way to picket in support when the time comes, when you guys decide on a action plan.

Thanks from the legacy guys at ABX. We are a tight knit group who have held this place together since DHL screwed us in 2008. New management is sitting on top of a ticking time bomb.

What once seemed like a good idea...the amazon effect.....now maybe not so much

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-products-services-failed-discontinued-2019-3?utm_content=buffer0c220&utm_medium=social&utm_so urce=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer-bi&fbclid=IwAR33reUTwCbsshF2a8puNiwdGopYdFj_x3duMC dwYRiWWslGkr8kSqiB7m4

Are you ready to sit the middle seat on some international deahead flights?

Run and apply today!!!

I fell and broke my back at work.I had finally after 9 months won the workers comp claim. But ABX in typical fashion just appealed the workers comp decision. It’s costing me thousands of dollars in lawyer fees and expert testimony. Not to mention the stress.
This company does not like the pilot group. Do not come here! Even if we get a contract and more airplanes. This place will still be toxic.

I hope u can get the legal fees back from ABX through the court process.

From a fellow ACMI/DHL/Amazon airline pilot,

God Bless, and Namaste...

A new low for ABX. Good luck Franz. This company is despicable.

Sounds like Judy B is up to her old tricks. Sue her personally.

Didn't the ABX-DHL contract expire yesterday? They were assuming that it was going to get renewed, but I haven't heard or seen anything public yet.

your post might have gained a bit more traction if you had waited a day... :D

So month to month with DHL? Hoe many get furloughed when dhl pulls more or all flying as they have in the past?

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-air-pilots-labor-issues-2019-2

That was posted last month. And discussed in other threads. Do a search next time.

If its still worth it equals more uncertainty, then what is the future of ABX and ATSG? Wanna go for a ride?

https://www.amazon.jobs/en/jobs/7642...rogram-manager

https://www.amazon.jobs/en/jobs/8277...control-center


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Both of these jobs are currently being done by them. Amazon does supervise the maintenance on all ATSG operated prime air planes that ATI has been flying around. Nothing new here. As far was the next position is a just a network planning job which is what they obviously do every month.. making schedules thats all. Nothing too special here..

On the MRO job, they make it seem as if its very global of a position. What MRO work or supervising is Amazon doing in Brazil or Europe? Is Amazon directing mx to other carriers outside the US? It seems more specific than I imagined.


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Why would anyone want to work for a scab airline like ABX? Those illegal strike guys are the .....and everyone but them know it!

Welcome to the party. Can I get you anything? Glad to have you on APC.


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10 more planes to ATSG from Amazon. Who will fly them?

ATI guys are running classes full speed ahead and opening/closing a window every other week. ABX will be lucky to see anyone in class. We’re barely going to be able to fly the airplanes we have soon...probably will have to start coming up with excuses to the customers just so we can make up for our shortcomings.

A good contract would probably be a good start. That way people interviewing don’t have to feel like they’re being lied to in the interview. For once in ABX’s existence it would be nice to lead at something that matters...catering, commercial travel, technology...or lock something in that is going to ensure that ABX can always get people. We are swimming against the current. Please don’t laugh at that technology part...


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