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Old 01-02-2019, 04:10 PM   #41  
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Old 01-04-2019, 09:43 AM   #42  
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You’re helping them more than you’re helping yourself. We have precious little opportunity under the RLA to exert pressure. Every OT picked up is a lifeline they desperately require and a detriment to the pilot group as a whole.

If guys in green lanyards are picking OT why shouldn't the guys in yellow lanyards not follow their leaders?
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If guys in green lanyards are picking OT why shouldn't the guys in yellow lanyards not follow their leaders?
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If guys in green lanyards are picking OT why shouldn't the guys in yellow lanyards not follow their leaders?
I am rather certain Nate does not have a green lanyard. I do have a green lanyard and therefore I am banned by federal court from discussing anything about open time as it relates to negotiations for a new CBA.

I can tell you I personally have never picked up open time in the 8 years I have been here. That is my personal choice and it is my right as open time is not mandatory for me to take. I have been extended three times in my first few years at the company, which I was not happy about.

My time is worth way more to me than the pathetic pay that Atlas Air offers, even if it comes with a premium.

If you need to pick up this pathetic pay, go for it. Just don't blame me as justification.
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I do have a green lanyard and therefore I am banned by federal court from discussing anything about open time as it relates to negotiations for a new CBA.
So why don’t you shut up about it and let everybody else make their own decisions based on their own set of circumstances?
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So why don’t you shut up about it and let everybody else make their own decisions based on their own set of circumstances?
I think if you took a little time to read my post made above your message, you will see that is exactly what I suggested. Go out a fly your little open time trips. The company is offering you two pennies for them rather than just one.
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If guys in green lanyards are picking OT why shouldn't the guys in yellow lanyards not follow their leaders?
I’ve heard every excuse, including that one. People can deny the truth all they want, but the fact is, they’re selling out their brothers for a few dimes. Sad.
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People who are picking up open time trips after everything we're going through to try to get a new CBA are a disgrace and should be treated as such by their fellow pilots.

People who openly criticize their union during this time on a public forum like this are a disgrace as well.
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I’ve heard every excuse, including that one. People can deny the truth all they want, but the fact is, they’re selling out their brothers for a few dimes. Sad.

I was just pointing out that we have union leaders picking up OT, hell we have green lanyard CAs picking up FO OT. Just saying
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People who are picking up open time trips after everything we're going through to try to get a new CBA are a disgrace and should be treated as such by their fellow pilots.
Question: Will refusing to pick up open time increase hiring and lead to more movement?
Answer: No. The company is already hiring as many pilots as physically possible, even buying sims and classroom space to hire even more pilots.

Question: Will refusing to pick up open time affect the company's growth plans?
Answer: No. The company has met all announced growth goals since Bill Flynn was named CEO.

Question: Will refusing to pick up open time hurt the company financially?
Answer: No. A traditional open-time ban leads to cancelled flights and increased staffing. This company is not traditional, and so far have not had any uncovered trips due to a lack of open time pickup. Refusing to pick up open time will not lead to increased staffing... the company is already increasing staffing as fast as possible.

(There have been cancellations due to last minute sick and fatigue calls, but that's the nature of the business. Open time or not, the only way to avoid these is to have nearby short-call reserves, and historically the company would rather accept the cancellation penalty-cost than invest in the cost of rarely used short-call reserves.)

Question: Will refusing to pick up open time make the company more willing to negotiate?
Answer: No. Considering the answers to the first three questions, there is no logical correlation between open time pickup and company motivation to negotiate a new CBA.



The costs are just staggering. The CBA that we deserve (and will eventually get, hopefully) will increase company labor costs by about $2 million a week. The company is saving that much every week right now. How many additional pilots does that money pay for? A lot, because we don't cost that much! The company is out-hiring their need for a CBA right now, and is saving money doing so.



What I do believe will motivate the company to settle the CBA is when they are unable to staff newhire classes with pilots that make it through training. But refusing to pick up open time will not lead to more newhire classes. The company is already hiring as many pilots as possible... we could all stop picking up open time today, or we could all start picking up open time today, or we could get a new CBA tomorrow, and the company would still plan to hire as many pilots as possible in 2019.
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