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Old 02-20-2019, 10:21 AM   #21  
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Cracks me up that only Atlas pilots reply to Southern threads. Maybe I should start replying to Atlas threads?
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:55 AM   #22  
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Cracks me up that only Atlas pilots reply to Southern threads. Maybe I should start replying to Atlas threads?
I am sorry, I view us as one group under one CBA even if we are still separated as a result of management games.
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I am sorry, I view us as one group under one CBA even if we are still separated as a result of management games.
So do I. But I don’t pretend to be an expert on Atlas 747/767 or Southern 737 pay because I am not on those fleets. The lines blur when pilots from one fleet try to be an expert on another. Do you agree?
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So do I. But I don’t pretend to be an expert on Atlas 747/767 or Southern 737 pay because I am not on those fleets. The lines blur when pilots from one fleet try to be an expert on another. Do you agree?
The Atlas/Southern pilot recruiter returns!
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:26 AM   #25  
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The Atlas/Southern pilot recruiter returns!
Not at all. I’m not an Atlas/Southern cheerleader. However, I also don’t want to see my fellow pilots pass on misleading information to those seeking it. There are plenty of reasons to steer clear of Atlas/Southern at this time. False or misleading information only damages the credibility of both groups. Stick to the truth. It’s sad enough.
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:37 AM   #26  
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We have a duty rig at Atlas/Southern which ends up being the main way that we get paid. It works out to about 4.85 hours of pay for 24 hours at work.
So, did you just operate a 15 hour flight? You’ll get paid for 4.85 hours.
Did you work a 14 hour reserve period? You’ll get paid for 4.85 hours.
Did you have a day that was 20 hours of operating/deadheading? You’ll get paid 4.85
A duty rig would pay for your hours on duty, say one for two. Works good for short legs and a lot of sitting in between. A trip rig starts when you leave your base and ends when you return to base. Since Atlas's rig also covers sitting reserve we call it Calculated Rig Time.
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Cracks me up that only Atlas pilots reply to Southern threads. Maybe I should start replying to Atlas threads?
Relax.

There are literally 8x more Atlas pilots than Southern pilots. It's only logical there's more Atlas traffic passing thru these threads.

And frankly, we've been living under this contract longer than you have, so it's equally logical an accurate answer is given by an Atlas pilot.

This isn't a game show to see who gets to ring the buzzer first. It's about getting the truth out to those who seek it.
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Relax.

There are literally 8x more Atlas pilots than Southern pilots. It's only logical there's more Atlas traffic passing thru these threads.

And frankly, we've been living under this contract longer than you have, so it's equally logical an accurate answer is given by an Atlas pilot.

This isn't a game show to see who gets to ring the buzzer first. It's about getting the truth out to those who seek it.
Agreed! Atlas definitely has more CBA expertise. We are learning quickly though. Lol

However, when Atlas pilots post under a “SouthernAir” thread that if a pilot flys 15 hours they only get paid 4.85 that is very misleading. When they post that most SouthernAir pilots only get paid CRT that is also misleading. Although probably true on the 747 (non-express) side where you are chasing airplanes all over the planet and also the 767/737 side, that may not be true on the 777 that has numerous high time lines due to lack of pilots.

My point is, if you are going to stray from your lane at least post accurate information. Anything else causes a loss of credibility of both groups. Simply post the facts that are 100% correct. The overall message will be the same.

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Old 02-20-2019, 01:47 PM   #29  
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Agreed! Atlas definitely has more CBA expertise. We are learning quickly though. Lol

However, when Atlas pilots post under a “SouthernAir” thread that if a pilot flys 15 hours they only get paid 4.85 that is very misleading. When they post that most SouthernAir pilots only get paid CRT that is also misleading. Although probably true on the 747 (non-express) side where you are chasing airplanes all over the planet and also the 767/737 side, that may not be true on the 777 that has numerous high time lines due to lack of pilots.

My point is, if you are going to stray from your lane at least post accurate information. Anything else causes a loss of credibility of both groups. Simply post the facts that are 100% correct. The overall message will be the same.
Trip Rig may not pay on the 777....for now. June 1st, your home basing goes away and every time you hit CVG, you will need heavy rest. This may change the way you are scheduled.
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Trip Rig may not pay on the 777....for now. June 1st, your home basing goes away and every time you hit CVG, you will need heavy rest. This may change the way you are scheduled.
It may, but to avoid that Planning only needs to keep building most of the lines the way they do now such as CVG/BAH/HKG/LAX/LEJ/LAX. Or the reverse of that. Of course there are many variations when you include the other 7 stations we serve, but the main idea would be to avoid returning to base and needing to double-out any flights over 12 hours thus maximizing the efficiency of the crews.

Being short pilots on the 777 is not going to end in the foreseeable future. Nor will pilots being junior assigned well past their already 17-20 days.
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