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Originally Posted by NoJoy (Post 2793386)

Actually wouldn’t surprise me if they did fill the seats initially. Atlas has hired quite a few pilots lately with no Turbine PIC time. And upgrades in the 767 and 747 have slowed down.
So for those individuals who want/need the PIC time, the 737 might be for them. It’s either that or go to Mesa ;)

If you need flying time, as either FO or PIC, the 737 flies VERY FEW hours, relative to the regionals. That is why Atlas has purchased 737s to fly around the country empty, just for training. It is basically IMPOSSIBLE, to consolidate on the 737, by just flying operational flights.

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Originally Posted by aviatorhi (Post 2794855)

I think you've entirely missed the point that some of us enjoy the tradeoffs of ACMI flying to the point that we don't want to be burdened with the NB hub-hub turns or sitting thru a sort and are willing to horsetrade to keep the lives we have.

I can't think of many people where I am now who would willingly make the trade for "big 3" pay if it meant losing the type of schedules we get. Insinuating that we're all underpaid unless we're following "big 3" or FedEx type rules is ludicrous.

We ARE underpaid in the ACMI world, vs the "Big 5", but, luckily for us, there is a Pilot Shortage. FedEx, Delta, Endeavor, Atlas, JAL, China Southern, and Emirates, as examples, are ALL are competing for the same pilots. If ANY one of the above is sub-standard in some way, they will have a difficult time finding pilots.

Atlas AAWW (Atlas/Polar/Southern/Titan) wants to expand, and it seems they want to expand A LOT. I believe, if Atlas is to successfully expand A LOT, then they will need an Industry Leading contract. If Atlas wants to expand somewhat, an Industry Standard contract will work. If they keep things as they are, Atlas will shrink. From what we have heard, the last 12 months, Atlas/Southern recruiting new hire numbers have not kept pace with attrition.

Any word on where these 737-800s will fly or just more cvg hub flying?

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Originally Posted by 4runner (Post 2810702)

The FAA of today is a different machine than what it was. That manifested itself in 2 airframes as of late.

3 airframes

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Originally Posted by Knobcrk1 (Post 2812655)

Any word on where these 737-800s will fly or just more cvg hub flying?

Rockford Baby !!! All the night flying you can handle. Hurry up and join the fleet. Rockford Today, Rockford Tomorrow-

The first two started TPA-RFD, and RFD-TPA.

I’m hearing the first year will be Rockford, rockford and more Rockford. Hub turns from Rockford. CVG is maxed out and not enough room.

I would expect just a couple hundred hours a year for a the first few years. The longer segment stuff will go senior, while the new hires can operate the 737-400 from CVG to STL- that airport hotel is next to the Waffle House is your new home during the day :)

Originally Posted by Tango Uniform View Post
Sounds awfully familiar. Go back to the early 1980’s. UPS had Orion, Ryan, and Evergreen flying UPS jets. Then one day in 1988 decided to bring it all in house.

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Originally Posted by gumpscheck (Post 2810696)

I heard it was more like the FAA told UPS to bring it in-house. I am surprised that AMZ and DHL have been able to get away with the system as it is now. If I was FDX or UPS, I would have raised the BS flag long ago.

Wonder if it was to be able to control strike capabilities or route changes amongst its contractors which would interrupt its fairly recent (a few years) next-day guaranteed services. Control seems to be everything no matter how you spread it.

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Originally Posted by C17B74 (Post 2816694)

We studied this in aviation law. Fred Smith, the owner of Fdx, was lobbying hard against them from 80-87. Because UPS was using subs exactly as Amazon is doing. Thereby creating an unfair competition. UPS took the IPX certificate and went in house amidst the pressure. Amazon will never fall to this due to their PACs they control. They are pretty much above the laws or own the peeps that make them.