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Old 07-01-2019, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by KA350Driver View Post
This is bad for the pilot world in the long run. Even the perception of airlines shutting down because of a pilot shortage will accelerate the push for single pilot or even pilotless airplanes.
How do you send an entire class home from training and then blame a pilot shortage?

it was mismanagement plain and simple. They were repeatedly told that pilots will not put up with the shenanigans very long before leaving. They never hired more than enough to fill seats, never any reserves hired, and a s a result never enough pilots when one guy leaves, let alone when six leave in one month.

Sad to see them go actually, because in spite of their failings for a small company they were better to work for than many much larger regionals.
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If a hospital opened up with shiny new equipment but wanted to hire doctors for $40k/year working night shifts and crappy benefits, then had to shut down because they couldn’t hire or keep doctors, would it be blamed on a dr shortage?
That wasn't their problem, they were among the highest paying E145 operators around. Their first year street CA was $78k base salary. First year FO was $50k base. No crashpads either, always had hotels unless you lived within 90 miles of base.

Theirs really was a mismanagement
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Old 07-01-2019, 10:44 AM
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How do you send an entire class home from training and then blame a pilot shortage?

it was mismanagement plain and simple. They were repeatedly told that pilots will not put up with the shenanigans very long before leaving. They never hired more than enough to fill seats, never any reserves hired, and a s a result never enough pilots when one guy leaves, let alone when six leave in one month.

Sad to see them go actually, because in spite of their failings for a small company they were better to work for than many much larger regionals.
That is exactly the staffing formula (failure) plan ABX uses!
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Old 07-01-2019, 10:50 AM
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That wasn't their problem, they were among the highest paying E145 operators around. Their first year street CA was $78k base salary. First year FO was $50k base. No crashpads either, always had hotels unless you lived within 90 miles of base.

Theirs really was a mismanagement
That’s terrible starting pay! Last year we hired a 500 hour FO and he started at $77k.
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Old 07-01-2019, 11:36 AM
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You're right. Aviation isn't fraught with risks and unknowns.

What?

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You know what I am saying. The medical field still has a vast frontier of knowledge that hasn’t been researched and significant variables from one situation to another. Commercial subsonic aviation not as much...
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Old 07-01-2019, 12:45 PM
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You know what I am saying. The medical field still has a vast frontier of knowledge that hasn’t been researched and significant variables from one situation to another. Commercial subsonic aviation not as much...
No. I don't know what you're saying. Plenty of aviation frontiers yet to be discovered. Lots of variables every time the aircraft moves with the intention of flight.

Just because you haven't thought of it yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Correlation is not causation.

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Old 07-01-2019, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by galleycafe View Post
No. I don't know what you're saying. Plenty of aviation frontiers yet to be discovered. Lots of variables every time the aircraft moves with the intention of flight.

Just because you haven't thought of it yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Correlation is not causation.

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Being a doctor is harder than being a pilot. It takes years more education and training. That’s what he’s saying.

Close to you 100% of doctors have the mental ability to become a professional pilot if they so chose. The percentage of professional pilots who could pass medical school and residency is significantly lower.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:05 PM
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Being a doctor is harder than being a pilot. It takes years more education and training. That’s what he’s saying.

Close to you 100% of doctors have the mental ability to become a professional pilot if they so chose. The percentage of professional pilots who could pass medical school and residency is significantly lower.
Yet, if we both screw up, people die. Lots of doctors out there have and will kill themselves in airplanes. But they're sooooo smart!

Correlation... causation. Whatever.

Keep telling yourselves pilots are mindless monkeys. I'm not.

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Did I say pilots were mindless idiots? Really struggling to understand why you are offended at the fact that Doctors are more educated and valuable to the marketplace than pilots are....even in a global pilot shortage. It’s not a slight towards pilots.
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Old 07-01-2019, 04:39 PM
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We're not even discussing the same subject.

Good talk.

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