That’s how I understand it. However it’s full monthly guarantee. Other places you don’t get that while you’re in training so it kind of offsets the no per diem.

"Other places" ? ABX pays full guarantee plus hotel while in training.

And Atlas pays 1600 a month in training, my regional didn’t pay full Min guarantee until after training. Some do some don’t. They also are operating off a contract centered around an operation that was only Miami based up until recently. So it’s not surprising that it’s structured the way it is. It’s part of what will change in the new CBA from what I’ve been told. If you can’t handle making full guarantee and no per diem for a short while I don’t know what to tell you.

Training pay sucks at Atlas but we also get per diem and hotel is obviously paid as well. With all this Covid crap going on, training pay while in Miami is around $4,500 including per diem. Not bad at all

I didnt mean to come off snarky or ungrateful but yeah i supposed the out of date contract has a causal factor with this. That being said, how are the hotels in the system when on overnights? Schedule?

Hoping the company gets home basing at the very least. JS to MIA is a nightmare.

Wish I had those answers. The info I have is from questions I got answered during the interview and a couple people who went to class recently. I’m waiting on a class date currently but am hopeful for the system wide home being as well. Will be a major QOL improvement.

Just throwing out another option......ABX is hiring

No answers for you as I'm not on property. I have similar questions and hope someone chimes in.

I also hope some items, such as home basing, get put into good-faith LOAs prior to the full contract negotiations process.

I've applied to ABX, havent heard anything. With my unemployment running out I am applying and if i dont hear anything i need to seek out what i know i still have stake in.

I was responding to KSUto64.

Gotcha, can anyone elaborate on the work rules with Amerijet? 9 hard days off and 3 soft?

If I make the jump the commute is going to be a nightmare to MIA for a reserve stint.

Anyone get the call for an April class date yet?

Got an email, not a call, tried to get more information from the CP about schedule. Crickets...

We currently bid for days off. 9 rostered days off (RDO) which are like your hard days off. 3 days off (DO) which are like soft days, they could be moved around by the company. We are in transition with a new MEC to begin contract talks in the upcoming months. Home basing and a different means of bidding expected in new contract. Unsure if we will push for lines or say bud what weeks you want to work and fly what falls in your footprint. Obviously under current CBA the days are awarded based on seniority.

In Miami we do Brussels trips that usually are 4 days. Or you can fly multiple leg hops thru the Caribbean, Mexico and Latin America. USPS runs out of SJU, ONT and SMF. The SMF or ONT trips tend to go senior because it’s easy and one and done. CVG we inherited the 200 flying from Giant. Currently go to IAH, AUS, DEN, BWI and do the “north loop” out of MIA to Panama, Costa Rica and either back to MIA or up to CVG. We expect to return to DHL European network in the future. We had been doing EMA and JFK.

Future plans hope to see USPS expansion and maybe even a new fleet type along with it. However the company has not made any official announcement on that so it’s only rumor at this point. We hope to obtain another 767 later on this year too. We have a lot of moving pieces and parts currently. So patience is a virtue. We are overhauling training. Updating manuals. Improving the ops control center and other projects. A lot of growing pains combined with corporate culture changes. All for the better.

I am not condoning the crickets. But I have seen behind the curtain at the amount of work being done by so many. All I can say is be patient, stay on top of them if you want to work here and keep the faith. Right now we’re trying to finish IOE on new hires and two upgrade classes. We’re busy. This may help. It may not. Bottom line we know we have a long way to go to improve. We’re trying.

Thank you for all the great info. I am looking forward to starting soon and the future growth potential sounds exciting.

Sounds like there are classes of 6-8 planned for April 5th and 26th.

AmeriJet plans on hiring around 100 pilots this year
Upgrade classes every month
Has orders for additional airplanes this year and for next year
With all airlines hiring again we’ll probably see a lot of attrition as people will move to “better airlines”
Management is eager to sign new contract with pilots that will open new business opportunities for ACMI type of flying
Home basing is high on pilots priority for new contract, management is aware and ok with it.
Higher pay is inevitable and will be more in line with other ACMI carriers

Will they address the 401K in the new contract? To have a better 401K for amerijet pilots?

Yes. We want home basing. Better health care and retirement benefits and pay scale among other things.

That's great! Hopefully it all goes through soon.

Certain changes in the 401(k) are definitely desirable but must be cost-benefit balanced against other items up for negotiation.

External hires are still being added to fill key positions (hopefully this batch has more interest in remaining long term). This should negate some of the "we've never done it like that before" mentality that can easily occur during negotiations in a company of this size.

Fingers crossed for a well-written and quickly agreed-upon contract of a reasonably short duration.

Anybody knows how the schedule is like? I've heard 2 weeks ON 2 weeks OFF if you're in the outstation (temporary base). What about miami?

We bid days off. 12 per month - 8 hard days off. 4 soft ones. The temp basing lines typically run a 2 week duration with ticket and hotel provided by company. You usually fly from your home airport and is the closest to home based as you’ll get under our existing CBA. There is a lot of good info on current status in the forum. If you go back 4-5 pages and read forward you should get a lot answered.

Thanks, I just finished reading a bunch of it. Very informative, hopefully, the CBA will have a lot of improvements. I did my interview on Friday, went well.
I hoping to hear positive things this week. They didn't mention whether the temp basing lines were senior or not, but the ticket and hotel provided for the 2 weeks are pretty nice. I would move to MIA if needed but i'd prefer to stay where I am in.
The 2 weeks OFF is also great for me.

Thanks for the gazillion of info about AJT.

Some are very senior (day flying) and some are very junior (night flying)


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Don’t come to Amerijet unless you live in SOFL. Management came into class and said home basing was not an option for the next contract. They are recruiting from all over the country but expecting to base everybody from Miami, or bid temporary bases that pay only guarantee if you wanting something similar to home basing. So caveat emptor for anybody that just started and are expecting home basing, or anybody thinking about coming here.

Well that's a bummer, but I guess temporary bases aren't so bad. I don't mind staying in Miami either, I live in Florida and can move.

Yes it’s true the DO did do that. And it was very disappointing to hear. We are fighting for home basing. It’s the crux of contract 2021 along with better pay, better health care and retirement options. It’s good advice to know what you’re getting into at any employer. But we are moving away from the Miami centric thinking of both business models and union contracts. We have plenty of commuters here. I can’t speak to their personal opinions but they’re making it work. For now we continue to grind it out. The flip side is a chance to grow with us. Are we perfect? No. But we are hiring.

do you know what it means when they say a pilot is in a pool?
What does that mean for the pilot who interviewed and is put in the pool?

So if they’re taking Home Basing off the table is there going to be an improvement to the commuter clause?

Just because management is taking home basing off the table doesn’t mean it won’t end up in the final contract, could be a negotiation ploy
The pilots want it and will negotiate for it, as far as I know there will be no new contract without home basing, and Amerijet needs a new pilot contract to grow.


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We have not even opened contract talks yet. In fact only just did the NMB training last week. And completing the ALPA portion this week. No date has been set as to when both sides will meet. So the DO can say whatever he wants. But we haven’t had one contract meeting yet. So that issue is still very much on the table and is not something we want to table. We are done being Miami centric. As our business expands into more ACMI the only way to support it is home basing. And our “temp base” BS proves it. We already are doing it for pilots who hold those lines so the argument does not really hold water with me personally.

As for swimming in our “pool” I do not know. We tentatively have plans to run monthly 6 person upgrade classes. And we have aircraft acquisitions coming as well. We will need to hire for that plus any attrition. We are beginning to see some of our expats bailing to other places due to their 777 experience. It’s always been a challenge here with corporate communications. My best advice is if In the pool stay engaged. Follow up weekly. Good luck. We need good folks here. Just know we’re a work in progress.

I hope that the negotiations will start soon. Pilots should stand their ground for better CBA.

Thanks for the answer about the pool question. I was told 8 pilots per class, but no idea when the class dates would be in May.

When you say 'expats' you mean Americans that came from abroad? EK, EY, Korean etc?

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Americans that had been flying abroad (ME3, Asia, Etc).

There had been a push to hire a balance of higher time pilots with heavy/international experience and (generally) lower time domestic pilots.

Those higher-time pilots with heavy experience check many of the boxes for some of the larger carriers that are hiring.

Last I heard, those without a US Passport are not currently eligible for employment.

Thanks.

I think the deal with the passport is generally to do with DoD contracts requiring it.

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Anyone can give an update on the next classes after April 26th?
Last thing I heard, they don't know which was over a week ago.

The ground school footprint is currently 3 weeks. Given that spacing, the earliest possible date for a class after April 26th would be May 17th.

Actual simulators are used for both the cockpit procedure training and full-motion sim sessions that follow ground school, so keeping the three-week spacing might overload the available sims/instructors.

I'm surprised they use the actual sim to do cockpit procedure training, rather than a mockup with posters.