Ouch, that was worse than "Mr Colmes"! :eek:

Yes, he's a very clever one isn't he? Probably gets his lines from that great American, carl rove.

And, I'm finished with the politics and theatrics on this forum.

Well said. It's a pleasure to see some reasonable posts on here.

Can't match wits with you Mr. Carville

You need to work on your punctuation. You right wing fascist pig!:p

This is taken from HR 1125:

(c) Applicability- The provisions of subsection (a) shall not provide a basis for a claim of seniority under any labor agreement in effect between a recognized bargaining unit for pilots and an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, that is made by a person who was a pilot and who attained 60 years of age before the effective date described in subsection (e) and is seeking a position as a pilot with such air carrier following that person's termination or cessation of employment or promotion or transfer to another position with such air carrier pursuant to section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, as in effect on the day before the effective date described in subsection (e).

That would pretty much cover retroactivity, for any over 60 pilot. On the list, or not.

Of course, with the help of our lobbyist DW...Maybe that can be changed.:mad:

I just (finally) read the text of both H.R. 1125 and S.65 (The Freedom to Fly Act of 2007) and they both have the applicability clause that was previously mentioned. I also thought that it was supposed to come up for a vote this month, but it seems to be stalled. Any other info on when the FAA appropriations bill will come up for a vote?

This is where people have to be careful and not buy into all the hype that the change proponents want to believe so desperately. There is no guarantee that either house will approve their proposed bills as written and certainly less chance of them agreeing to terms and passing the FAA Authorization Bill with that language intact any time soon.

Could it happen? Yes, absolutely, positively. Could it happen this month? That is highly unlikely, but possible. There are plenty of bills being pushed right now that will take months to resolve through committee, and the FAA Authorization Bill is just one of many.

There is just as good a chance as the FAA being funded via a continuing resolution for several months of FY08, if not the whole year if the houses can't come to agreement on the Authorization Bill. ALPA is carping that this thing will be fast tracked, and it might, but I think the Congress and the President have a few other issues they are working on that they can't agree on right now and I doubt that the FAA bill will be at the top of their plate anytime soon. I could certainly be wrong.

Anybody that claims they can tell you when this thing will go through is full of hooey.

I admit that change is likely and it could come this summer, but I wouldn't put money or my whole life's plans on hold waiting for it.

FJ

When was the last time any of you saw any of those FCIF's announcing somebody retiring?

Seems like they've kind of dried up. Of the 13 individuals, senior to me, that turned age 60 in Apr and May, only 1 is not still in the system. Most are listed as NQN, NOL or don't allow access to their calenders. A few don't have any codes, trips, etc. on their calender. Maybe they retired?

I know this has been explained before...But, where do we find the secret deciphering ring for VIPS codes?

And what happened to the friggin' "Non-Members List" on the ALPA web site?

"And what happened to the friggin' "Non-Members List" on the ALPA web site?"

I tried to access that last week and kept getting an error message. Now it says it's not available. I was hoping to see how many non-members were over 60 now or due to retire at 60 in the next 2 years. We all know the greatest percentage of non-members are in Block 1 with the Instructor Block being a close second. Anyway, I am calling the union today about why we can't see the list. I'll let you know what I find out.