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Originally Posted by Jetjok (Post 169856)

Jolly, you really do need to read entire posts before commenting. It's only "fair." There are a number of guys who are both older and junior, both at the same time, but I guess that if they're senior to you, than that's all that counts. As well, I don't play golf. It's too exacting (and slow) for me. I'm into racquet sports, in a very big way.

I'm sorry that you just don't get it, but I'd be willing to bet that when you're approaching retirement, you will. And if, by chance, the rule does change, and guys who are approaching age 60 decide to stay on, what then? Will you still feel the way you do now? ... that they should just go away and play golf, or will it be different for them, because after all the rule has changed. If you feel that they should still just go away, I'd suggest that it's going to be a really loooooong, unhappy career for you. Maybe you should thing about changing your screen name to Eternally-Sad-F15. By the way, I think we've flown together over in Asia, when you were in the jet only a few months. But then again, I've been wrong before.

Not trying to sling mud here JJ, and I won't have a lousy attitude over this thing. I don't like it, that's for sure. Yes it does effect me in a negative way, and a bunch of other pilots at my seniority in the same boat. I'm professional enough to keep this out of the cockpit, and for what it's worth I still have a smile on my face when I go to work. Life's too short to be p---ed off at the world.

But it's like I said, I just don't get why anyone would take a pass on the great retirement our contract provides at 60. I'll have 18 years here plus my 21 years in the AF and would like to retire early. Will I miss it? No, I really don't think so---there's too much life left to live and want to live it while I'm healthy. This is a very emotional issue for us all. I think the change is a really bad idea for all the reasons we've already been over. That being said, it's probably going to happen and I'll apparently have to suck it up and move on. Kinda sucks though.

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Originally Posted by JollyF15 (Post 169908)

Not every all of us have a Military retirement coming in or one to look forward too. Not all of us have or will have the FedEx Retirement Maxed out at 60........This will affect ALL of us negatively, not just YOU and the more junior guys.

There were 3 guys in My new hire class who were over 50 when they got hired here. When they reached 60 they only had 5-6 yeats worth of B fund money since we had recently got our 1st contract. They only had 9-10 years FedeX longevity, so they went to the back seat to keep getting another 2% per year...............wouldn't you do that?

When I asked my FAA doctor just the other day about the Age 60 thing, he said that there are guys over 60 flying 121 on a waiver now. I thought I would have heard of this before and wonder if it should be believed.

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Originally Posted by KnightFlyer (Post 169871)

You're assuming that we (the vast majority of folks) will be able to stick to "the plan" and retire at 60 w/o losing the current pension formula. Will we have a 15% ding on the A plan since now we are "retiring 5 years early?" Will it be grandfathered? Will retiring at 60 provide the same benefit as it does now?

I'm not happy about career progression slowing, but changing my ability to get a full retirement at 60 is what really has me concerned. You can go to 65, but I want out at 60 with the current A plan formula.

Why is it that you assume all the worst? Is it because you feel it makes your case more valid? Regardless of whether this rule changes or not, contract negotiations will be the vehicle that changes or doesn't change our work rules, medical benefits/costs, retirement options and limitations, etc, etc. Perhaps we should concentrate on remaining united, instead of bashing those guys that will, by luck alone, benefit from this rule change.

Can't argue with you

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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r (Post 169958)

Note every all of us have a Military retirement coming in or one to look forward too. Not all of us have or will have the FedEx Retirement Maxed out at 60........This will affect ALL of us negatively, not just YOU and the more junior guys.

There were 3 guys in My new hire class who were over 50 when they got hired here. When they reached 60 they only had 5-6 yeats worth of B fund money since we had recently got our 1st contract. They only had 9-10 years FedeX longevity, so they went to the back seat to keep getting another 2% per year...............wouldn't you do that?

Redeye,
You raise some very valid points. We all have our own reasons for retiring at 60 or not. We all don't look at life the same way. Can't really say what I'd do if I only had 9-10 years here. I still think very little good will come from this rule change, and there is potential for a lot of bad stuff to come out of it. I'll quit my *****in for now and shut my pie hole. I guess I'll just have to wait another five years to fly with my favorate Captain everyday!

Jolly

Who does this rule benefit besides ex-military guys trying to get 2 retirements?

There are people who define themselves by their career, and those who define themselves by things that cannot be taken away. I strive to be one of the latter.
How sad to be checking into another Marriott after 30+ years at an airline or military/ airline career.

Freightbird just shacked it!!

"They only had 9-10 years FedeX longevity, so they went to the back seat to keep getting another 2% per year...............wouldn't you do that?"

Ever hear of the law of diminishing returns? What good is getting an extra 2% per year retirement if doing so takes years off the very life you hope to retire to? So my answer is.. No, I wouldn't do that. Better yet, I wouldn't do that to my family. I think they would rather have me around a little longer even if it was with the 2% per year less. Next question..

sshhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jetjoc is sleeping...he has a 3am departure...he will be pouring coffee all night...what a way to spend your golden years...if you need me i will be asleep for my 3pm departure...hehe!