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Old 01-21-2020 | 08:40 PM
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I believe the previous poster was referring to the actual corporation of Amazon operating these aircraft, which they don't, and will continue to outsource their "operating" aircraft.
Then there would have been no need to buy the Comair Airline HQ building in CVG...

I thought the new Amazon ramp in CVG was just for 100 aircraft. But, it also includes a massive office building. After they are done with this, they will start on the North ramp, that will park about 200 aircraft. Rumour is in a few years (about when the 2nd ramp is completed) that Amazon will take over the whole DHL property in CVG. I guess DHL could move back to Wilmington...
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Old 01-23-2020 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by opt0712
………..., and will continue to outsource their "operating" aircraft.
for now...….
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Old 01-23-2020 | 07:31 AM
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I think Amazon will copy DHL’s business model of buying large (controlling) shares of other airlines without having to start their own airline. This ‘whipsaw’ airline model has proven very successful for DHL. Time will tell.

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DHL majority or wholly-owned subsidiaries include:DHL Aviation affiliate airlines in which the company holds minority shareholdings (50% or less) include:
  • Tasman Cargo Airlines (49%, since 1994)
  • Air Hong Kong (JV with majority shareholder; Cathay Pacific, since 2002)
  • Polar Air Cargo (49%, since 2006)
  • AeroLogic (50% JV, since 2009)
DHL Aviation contract airlines include:
  • ABX Air
  • Aeronaves TSM
  • Air Contractors
  • Aviastar-TU
  • Bluebird Cargo
  • Cargoair
  • Solenta Aviation
  • Southern Air Inc.
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Old 01-25-2020 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by whalesurfer
I think Amazon will copy DHL’s business model of buying large (controlling) shares of other airlines without having to start their own airline. This ‘whipsaw’ airline model has proven very successful for DHL. Time will tell.

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DHL majority or wholly-owned subsidiaries include:DHL Aviation affiliate airlines in which the company holds minority shareholdings (50% or less) include:
  • Tasman Cargo Airlines (49%, since 1994)
  • Air Hong Kong (JV with majority shareholder; Cathay Pacific, since 2002)
  • Polar Air Cargo (49%, since 2006)
  • AeroLogic (50% JV, since 2009)
DHL Aviation contract airlines include:
  • ABX Air
  • Aeronaves TSM
  • Air Contractors
  • Aviastar-TU
  • Bluebird Cargo
  • Cargoair
  • Solenta Aviation
  • Southern Air Inc.
You conveniently left off an airline from the contract list that sort of throws a wrench in your argument
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Old 01-25-2020 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
You conveniently left off an airline from the contract list that sort of throws a wrench in your argument
What argument was he making exactly? And how did leaving Kalitta off his list affect his “argument?”
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Old 01-25-2020 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker
What argument was he making exactly? And how did leaving Kalitta off his list affect his “argument?”
What makes you think he was conveniently leaving Kalitta off? They don't even fly Amazon. He left ATI and Atlas and soon to be...Suncountry.. off too....
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Old 01-25-2020 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by nitefr8dog
What makes you think he was conveniently leaving Kalitta off? They don't even fly Amazon. He left ATI and Atlas and soon to be...Suncountry.. off too....
His post is referencing DHL, not Amazon???
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Old 01-25-2020 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
You conveniently left off an airline from the contract list that sort of throws a wrench in your argument
I didn’t plan on leaving anything out. I merely copy and pasted wikipedia’s summary of DHL. I think you misunderstood my point.

I believe Amazon Prime will use DHL’s business model of buying large shares of other airlines as opposed to starting their own airline (the way fdx and ups did).
This will allow them to keep their operating costs down. Once they (Amazon) start carrying non-amazon cargo, and one day they will, all the bets are off.
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Old 01-25-2020 | 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by whalesurfer
I didn’t plan on leaving anything out. I merely copy and pasted wikipedia’s summary of DHL. I think you misunderstood my point.

I believe Amazon Prime will use DHL’s business model of buying large shares of other airlines as opposed to starting their own airline (the way fdx and ups did).
This will allow them to keep their operating costs down. Once they (Amazon) start carrying non-amazon cargo, and one day they will, all the bets are off.
I'd call it a very sound hypothesis. I will also hypothesize that Atlas will eventually only be doing Amazon and will rid themselves of all 747's.
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Old 01-25-2020 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
His post is referencing DHL, not Amazon???
ooops my bad......still left ATI, K2 and probably quite a few others off the Amazon Expansion Thread.
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