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Old 08-09-2020, 11:41 AM
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Do we really want to evaluating this event here with snippets of second and third hand information? Are we really being fair to our own pilots? The data will come out with QAR data, and through the work of if the ERC. Once the real facts are established then we'll be able to say something intelligently.

These crewmembers are dealing with a lot today. Speculation is a natural part of these events, so I don't judge anyone for wondering what happened. Still, it's not helpful at this point. Perhaps it may be time to get some message out to dial back the speculation til the facts emerge? The union has done this in the past
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Old 08-09-2020, 11:56 AM
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Inboard pod with 2-3 degrees pitch down and 5-7 degrees bank?
I’d have to check the tables again but it’s not excessive.

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Old 08-10-2020, 05:55 AM
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I have heard stories of Atlas chief pilots questioning crewmembers after go arounds. I always felt that this type of questioning could lead to pilots continuing unstable approaches when the best course of action is to go around and try again. Could they have been trying to save an unstable approach in gusty winds, just to avoid scrutiny from a chief pilot?
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Old 08-10-2020, 06:00 AM
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I have heard stories of Atlas chief pilots questioning crewmembers after go arounds. I always felt that this type of questioning could lead to pilots continuing unstable approaches when the best course of action is to go around and try again. Could they have been trying to save an unstable approach in gusty winds, just to avoid scrutiny from a chief pilot?
I'm by no means a "company man", but have never been questioned about a go-around, or ever heard about anyone being questioned for a go-around here. It's quite the opposite, actually. They're adamant about being stable at the 1000' gate, and hammer it hard during training.
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Old 08-10-2020, 06:07 AM
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I'm by no means a "company man", but have never been questioned about a go-around, or ever heard about anyone being questioned for a go-around here. It's quite the opposite, actually. They're adamant about being stable at the 1000' gate, and hammer it hard during training.
The story I heard might be an isolated incident and purely anecdotal, I should say. But if it happened once, is it plausible that it only happened once? But it’s refreshing to hear that you personally haven’t had that experience.
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Old 08-10-2020, 06:31 AM
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I have heard stories of Atlas chief pilots questioning crewmembers after go arounds. I always felt that this type of questioning could lead to pilots continuing unstable approaches when the best course of action is to go around and try again. Could they have been trying to save an unstable approach in gusty winds, just to avoid scrutiny from a chief pilot?
22 years at Atlas, both fleets, and I have never heard of such a thing.
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Old 08-10-2020, 06:50 AM
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Good point tired Tired soul only problem is I didn’t know about the Jan class till March. Know I understand how someone must feel when he is convicted of a crime he didn’t commit.
I understand your pain. But I'll point out that others can learn from the lesson...

Employers (all sectors) are very oriented to hiring through the digital sphere. If job hunting you must carefully manage every single aspect of your digital presence, including social media, email, etc to present the good impression that you want to make. No sympathy from the HR ladies, most of who are millenials now anyway and consider digital faux paus to be a sign of boomers who they actively want to avoid.

For email, use a professional appearing email with a reputable domain: ex: [email protected]. Not [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], etc. Don't use disposable email domains.

Make sure you can recover it if you get locked out, check your spam daily (it usually auto-deletes after 30 days). Use an email you custom-made for professional purposes. Don't use an organizational email, you'll lose it when you leave and don't have control of spam filters. Make sure you email is not associated on the webs with anything that will be perceived as bad or controversial (including politics). You can rarely undo those kind of associations, so if in doubt delete an old email and create a new one. If you've had an email for a long time, try googling it to see what it's associated with (you might be unpleasantly surprised).
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Old 08-10-2020, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Grease View Post
I have heard stories of Atlas chief pilots questioning crewmembers after go arounds. I always felt that this type of questioning could lead to pilots continuing unstable approaches when the best course of action is to go around and try again. Could they have been trying to save an unstable approach in gusty winds, just to avoid scrutiny from a chief pilot?
I havent heard of this. We have a no-fault go-around policy here like most airlines. Our verbiage of that policy requests but does not require reports after a go around. (We can discuss the merits and lack thereof of this requested report at some length.)

Perhaps your friend was getting a response on the report he filed rather than a "Why did you miss?" call?
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I havent heard of this. We have a no-fault go-around policy here like most airlines. Our verbiage of that policy requests but does not require reports after a go around. (We can discuss the merits and lack thereof of this requested report at some length.)

Perhaps your friend was getting a response on the report he filed rather than a "Why did you miss?" call?
Perhaps. This could entirely be the case.

You all obviously have much more insight into the flying culture at Atlas than I do, so I’ll defer to your opinions based on your first hand knowledge, and not my 3rd hand hearsay!
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Old 08-10-2020, 10:59 AM
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Perhaps. This could entirely be the case.

You all obviously have much more insight into the flying culture at Atlas than I do, so I’ll defer to your opinions based on your first hand knowledge, and not my 3rd hand hearsay!
I work here and I don't have much more insight. Actually i was speculating out loud, which is something I said was bad to do just a few posts back. I'm being hypocrite and a blow-hard again.

Regardless I hope your friend is doing well.
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