E3 Visa and commuting etc.
01-20-2023, 01:50 AM
#1
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Joined APC: Jan 2023
Posts: 6
E3 Visa and commuting etc.
Hi everyone,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I've read pretty much every post on every thread on this and the other main pilot forum and have questions.
To those Australian Pilots that have taken up the fantastic opportunity of flying with our brothers and sisters in the USA, how has the experience been for you ?
How has your family enjoyed the experience ?
How have you found the training,
The coin ?
Is there the prospect of a solid future ?
Is there possible progression into training or managerial roles ?
Some US based Pilots in other areas of this forum have aired their dismay at the concept of Australian Pilots coming to fly in the USA on E3 visas, the usual childish taunting and names calling, nothing an adult would be concerned by, is this as bad as one should expect ?
Which Cargo Operators are offering commuting ?
Which Cargo Operators are employing Australian Pilots on E3 ?
Thanks in advance to anyone that takes the time answers there questions.
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I've read pretty much every post on every thread on this and the other main pilot forum and have questions.
To those Australian Pilots that have taken up the fantastic opportunity of flying with our brothers and sisters in the USA, how has the experience been for you ?
How has your family enjoyed the experience ?
How have you found the training,
The coin ?
Is there the prospect of a solid future ?
Is there possible progression into training or managerial roles ?
Some US based Pilots in other areas of this forum have aired their dismay at the concept of Australian Pilots coming to fly in the USA on E3 visas, the usual childish taunting and names calling, nothing an adult would be concerned by, is this as bad as one should expect ?
Which Cargo Operators are offering commuting ?
Which Cargo Operators are employing Australian Pilots on E3 ?
Thanks in advance to anyone that takes the time answers there questions.
01-23-2023, 04:22 AM
#4
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Joined APC: Nov 2022
Posts: 3
Originally Posted by Alotta Fagina
Hi everyone,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I've read pretty much every post on every thread on this and the other main pilot forum and have questions.
To those Australian Pilots that have taken up the fantastic opportunity of flying with our brothers and sisters in the USA, how has the experience been for you ?
How has your family enjoyed the experience ?
How have you found the training,
The coin ?
Is there the prospect of a solid future ?
Is there possible progression into training or managerial roles ?
Some US based Pilots in other areas of this forum have aired their dismay at the concept of Australian Pilots coming to fly in the USA on E3 visas, the usual childish taunting and names calling, nothing an adult would be concerned by, is this as bad as one should expect ?
Which Cargo Operators are offering commuting ?
Which Cargo Operators are employing Australian Pilots on E3 ?
Thanks in advance to anyone that takes the time answers there questions.
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I've read pretty much every post on every thread on this and the other main pilot forum and have questions.
To those Australian Pilots that have taken up the fantastic opportunity of flying with our brothers and sisters in the USA, how has the experience been for you ?
How has your family enjoyed the experience ?
How have you found the training,
The coin ?
Is there the prospect of a solid future ?
Is there possible progression into training or managerial roles ?
Some US based Pilots in other areas of this forum have aired their dismay at the concept of Australian Pilots coming to fly in the USA on E3 visas, the usual childish taunting and names calling, nothing an adult would be concerned by, is this as bad as one should expect ?
Which Cargo Operators are offering commuting ?
Which Cargo Operators are employing Australian Pilots on E3 ?
Thanks in advance to anyone that takes the time answers there questions.
Your question / comment regarding the name calling. I suggest you think of it from the perspective of back in Aus. There was almost blood in the water when the rumor went around last year that a certain contract airline in Aus was offering expat jobs. Now imagine that almost industry wide, jobs are being offered en mass to foreigners and suddenly you have serious concerns for your hopes of a job opportunity with decent salary and good progression are now perceived to be in serious jeopardy. I know I'd be pretty furious and my first reaction would be probably a lot worse.
Thankfully that's very arguably not presently the case in the US as the pilot shortage really is here, so in my humble opinion we're not taking jobs or putting pressure on conditions as we're simply a very small plug in a very big hole. Be that as it may, we are BEYOND privileged to have the opportunity to work over here, so I urge you to be more respectful when you're talking about this topic.
To answer the legitimate part of your question, bar one individual, it's a credit to the entire aviation industry in the US the way I've been accepted as a working professional by every crewmember I've worked with. Remember however, if you're an fwit, you'll still get treated like one, so the problem may not be your nationality if you find you're being treated poorly.
Training is training. Fine, there's the American regs, but they're not difficult to learn. Just remember there's literally tens of thousands of pilots with all abilities who have successfully gone through the system before you and that in itself should be a comfort.
Become a plumber if you want employment security. I don't mean to be facetious, but you're asking if a 2 year (renewable) visa is grounds for a solid future... No airline has offered green card sponsorship (edit: that I'm aware of) in the nearly 10 years the E3 has been actively used by the airlines here. Every renewal could be your last, even for those who have made it into the training department (yes there are a few). Oh, yeah you could always marry a local though.
I'll finish on a lighter note. Moving to the US has been fantastic, if not slightly confronting. Imagine you've walked into your living room and someone's come in and moved all the items in the room 5 cm to the left. It looks almost identical but everything is just so slightly different.
01-23-2023, 01:27 PM
#6
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Joined APC: Apr 2015
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Posts: 175
Originally Posted by Alotta Fagina
Hi everyone,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I've read pretty much every post on every thread on this and the other main pilot forum and have questions.
To those Australian Pilots that have taken up the fantastic opportunity of flying with our brothers and sisters in the USA, how has the experience been for you ?
How has your family enjoyed the experience ?
How have you found the training,
The coin ?
Is there the prospect of a solid future ?
Is there possible progression into training or managerial roles ?
Some US based Pilots in other areas of this forum have aired their dismay at the concept of Australian Pilots coming to fly in the USA on E3 visas, the usual childish taunting and names calling, nothing an adult would be concerned by, is this as bad as one should expect ?
Which Cargo Operators are offering commuting ?
Which Cargo Operators are employing Australian Pilots on E3 ?
Thanks in advance to anyone that takes the time answers there questions.
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I've read pretty much every post on every thread on this and the other main pilot forum and have questions.
To those Australian Pilots that have taken up the fantastic opportunity of flying with our brothers and sisters in the USA, how has the experience been for you ?
How has your family enjoyed the experience ?
How have you found the training,
The coin ?
Is there the prospect of a solid future ?
Is there possible progression into training or managerial roles ?
Some US based Pilots in other areas of this forum have aired their dismay at the concept of Australian Pilots coming to fly in the USA on E3 visas, the usual childish taunting and names calling, nothing an adult would be concerned by, is this as bad as one should expect ?
Which Cargo Operators are offering commuting ?
Which Cargo Operators are employing Australian Pilots on E3 ?
Thanks in advance to anyone that takes the time answers there questions.
HD
01-23-2023, 03:59 PM
#7
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,684
Originally Posted by Alotta Fagina
Hi everyone,
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I've read pretty much every post on every thread on this and the other main pilot forum and have questions.
To those Australian Pilots that have taken up the fantastic opportunity of flying with our brothers and sisters in the USA, how has the experience been for you ? I’m not an Aussie so can’t directly say.
How has your family enjoyed the experience ? see above
How have you found the training,
That will likely depend on your training background. Former RAAF pilots do very well on average. Don’t know any straight civilian pilots.
The coin ? Based on conversations with friends at Quantas, I’d say you could make more here if you can snag a green card and make it to a legacy or top tier cargo (UPS,FEDEX). The companies participating in the E3 visa program do not pay those rates. Although, I believe SkyWest has jacked theirs up considerably.
Is there the prospect of a solid future ?
Maybe, maybe not. If living in America for a few years is an attractive adventure for your family, go for it. If you don’t want to come here only to be forced home after several years, I’d pass.
Is there possible progression into training or managerial roles ?
It wouldn’t shock me if there was since you have limited opportunities to bail on an E3 visa.
Some US based Pilots in other areas of this forum have aired their dismay at the concept of Australian Pilots coming to fly in the USA on E3 visas, the usual childish taunting and names calling, nothing an adult would be concerned by, is this as bad as one should expect ?
Most pilots are professionals and can keep their personal feelings out of the cockpit. At my carrier (UPS) we have a significant number of expats. The only real grumbling I have heard is when accents make time critical communication hard.
Which Cargo Operators are offering commuting ? Not top tier, but many of the others do. You can make a lot of money with many of them, but you won’t see home much. Commuting from Australia may not be practical or acceptable.
Which Cargo Operators are employing Australian Pilots on E3 ?
Don’t know.
Thanks in advance to anyone that takes the time answers there questions.
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I've read pretty much every post on every thread on this and the other main pilot forum and have questions.
To those Australian Pilots that have taken up the fantastic opportunity of flying with our brothers and sisters in the USA, how has the experience been for you ? I’m not an Aussie so can’t directly say.
How has your family enjoyed the experience ? see above
How have you found the training,
That will likely depend on your training background. Former RAAF pilots do very well on average. Don’t know any straight civilian pilots.
The coin ? Based on conversations with friends at Quantas, I’d say you could make more here if you can snag a green card and make it to a legacy or top tier cargo (UPS,FEDEX). The companies participating in the E3 visa program do not pay those rates. Although, I believe SkyWest has jacked theirs up considerably.
Is there the prospect of a solid future ?
Maybe, maybe not. If living in America for a few years is an attractive adventure for your family, go for it. If you don’t want to come here only to be forced home after several years, I’d pass.
Is there possible progression into training or managerial roles ?
It wouldn’t shock me if there was since you have limited opportunities to bail on an E3 visa.
Some US based Pilots in other areas of this forum have aired their dismay at the concept of Australian Pilots coming to fly in the USA on E3 visas, the usual childish taunting and names calling, nothing an adult would be concerned by, is this as bad as one should expect ?
Most pilots are professionals and can keep their personal feelings out of the cockpit. At my carrier (UPS) we have a significant number of expats. The only real grumbling I have heard is when accents make time critical communication hard.
Which Cargo Operators are offering commuting ? Not top tier, but many of the others do. You can make a lot of money with many of them, but you won’t see home much. Commuting from Australia may not be practical or acceptable.
Which Cargo Operators are employing Australian Pilots on E3 ?
Don’t know.
Thanks in advance to anyone that takes the time answers there questions.
Good luck. I’ve flown with a lot of Aussies and always enjoyed it.
01-23-2023, 07:12 PM
#9
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Posts: 393
Originally Posted by Vegemite
I have a couple of problems with some of your questions.
Your question / comment regarding the name calling. I suggest you think of it from the perspective of back in Aus. There was almost blood in the water when the rumor went around last year that a certain contract airline in Aus was offering expat jobs. Now imagine that almost industry wide, jobs are being offered en mass to foreigners and suddenly you have serious concerns for your hopes of a job opportunity with decent salary and good progression are now perceived to be in serious jeopardy. I know I'd be pretty furious and my first reaction would be probably a lot worse.
Thankfully that's very arguably not presently the case in the US as the pilot shortage really is here, so in my humble opinion we're not taking jobs or putting pressure on conditions as we're simply a very small plug in a very big hole. Be that as it may, we are BEYOND privileged to have the opportunity to work over here, so I urge you to be more respectful when you're talking about this topic.
To answer the legitimate part of your question, bar one individual, it's a credit to the entire aviation industry in the US the way I've been accepted as a working professional by every crewmember I've worked with. Remember however, if you're an fwit, you'll still get treated like one, so the problem may not be your nationality if you find you're being treated poorly.
Training is training. Fine, there's the American regs, but they're not difficult to learn. Just remember there's literally tens of thousands of pilots with all abilities who have successfully gone through the system before you and that in itself should be a comfort.
Become a plumber if you want employment security. I don't mean to be facetious, but you're asking if a 2 year (renewable) visa is grounds for a solid future... No airline has offered green card sponsorship (edit: that I'm aware of) in the nearly 10 years the E3 has been actively used by the airlines here. Every renewal could be your last, even for those who have made it into the training department (yes there are a few). Oh, yeah you could always marry a local though.
I'll finish on a lighter note. Moving to the US has been fantastic, if not slightly confronting. Imagine you've walked into your living room and someone's come in and moved all the items in the room 5 cm to the left. It looks almost identical but everything is just so slightly different.
Your question / comment regarding the name calling. I suggest you think of it from the perspective of back in Aus. There was almost blood in the water when the rumor went around last year that a certain contract airline in Aus was offering expat jobs. Now imagine that almost industry wide, jobs are being offered en mass to foreigners and suddenly you have serious concerns for your hopes of a job opportunity with decent salary and good progression are now perceived to be in serious jeopardy. I know I'd be pretty furious and my first reaction would be probably a lot worse.
Thankfully that's very arguably not presently the case in the US as the pilot shortage really is here, so in my humble opinion we're not taking jobs or putting pressure on conditions as we're simply a very small plug in a very big hole. Be that as it may, we are BEYOND privileged to have the opportunity to work over here, so I urge you to be more respectful when you're talking about this topic.
To answer the legitimate part of your question, bar one individual, it's a credit to the entire aviation industry in the US the way I've been accepted as a working professional by every crewmember I've worked with. Remember however, if you're an fwit, you'll still get treated like one, so the problem may not be your nationality if you find you're being treated poorly.
Training is training. Fine, there's the American regs, but they're not difficult to learn. Just remember there's literally tens of thousands of pilots with all abilities who have successfully gone through the system before you and that in itself should be a comfort.
Become a plumber if you want employment security. I don't mean to be facetious, but you're asking if a 2 year (renewable) visa is grounds for a solid future... No airline has offered green card sponsorship (edit: that I'm aware of) in the nearly 10 years the E3 has been actively used by the airlines here. Every renewal could be your last, even for those who have made it into the training department (yes there are a few). Oh, yeah you could always marry a local though.
I'll finish on a lighter note. Moving to the US has been fantastic, if not slightly confronting. Imagine you've walked into your living room and someone's come in and moved all the items in the room 5 cm to the left. It looks almost identical but everything is just so slightly different.
Bottom line…be cool, don’t be a d!ck, and most…not all, but most…will be cool with you. Also..don’t be that guy that constantly says “Back in Australia, we do it like this” unless you’re referring to a better way to drink beer.
02-01-2023, 08:09 AM
#10
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 339
Which Cargo Operators are employing Australian Pilots on E3 ?
As far as how you'll be received, I wouldn't worry about it. If you venture to the hotel bar/restaurant at an Atlas hotel today, you're as likely to be outnumbered by Aussies in initial training as not. As stated above, they do have better ways of drinking beer (and the other drinkable things), or at least more ability. Their techniques are often illustrated through amusing stories about inebriated shenanigans at home. Despite this, they are (as they say), "good c*nts", even when they're near "blind". It's probably a great time and place to come over on an E-3 visa. There's so many of you right now it's basically an ex-pat support system.
With that being said (and the sheer numbers being hired), I wonder how long this can keep up? You're a country of 26 million and we're raiding your professional ranks to, as another poster put it, "form a very small plug in a very large hole". What's this doing to the industry at home? I've heard Spirit has hired "400 hundred" and I suspect we're (Atlas) in the hundreds as of now. No idea about the regionals, but it's a non-zero number. At some point you assume there'll be supply constraints of folks willing to pick up and move halfway around the world.
Interesting times. Hopefully you can take advantage. Seems there's work to be had for all at this point in time, which of course isn't always the case in this industry.
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