Age 67
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When the 65 rule came about initially, you could not have 2 crewmembers over 60. It did not seem to be to much of a scheduling nightmare. I think we had to fly someone out of Canada once and a new FO in. I don't remember anybody getting stretched on a rack over it.
#22
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Yes. I do.
Yes. In formation, under powerlines, and down burning canyons.
How about you?
Speculation and guesswork. Professionalism at its finest. What more could one ask? In your own case, it seems, nothing.
Have you four ex-wives for whom you are currently paying? I certainly don't.
Or are you simply blathering irrelevant crap?
Yes. In formation, under powerlines, and down burning canyons.
How about you?
Speculation and guesswork. Professionalism at its finest. What more could one ask? In your own case, it seems, nothing.
Or are you simply blathering irrelevant crap?
#23
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Yes. I do.
Yes. In formation, under powerlines, and down burning canyons.
How about you?
Speculation and guesswork. Professionalism at its finest. What more could one ask? In your own case, it seems, nothing.
Have you four ex-wives for whom you are currently paying? I certainly don't.
Or are you simply blathering irrelevant crap?
Yes. In formation, under powerlines, and down burning canyons.
How about you?
Speculation and guesswork. Professionalism at its finest. What more could one ask? In your own case, it seems, nothing.
Have you four ex-wives for whom you are currently paying? I certainly don't.
Or are you simply blathering irrelevant crap?
#24
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Retire? I think not. You're free to do whatever you like with your own fledgling career.
Are you one of the self-entitled that whines "get out of my way, old man, I want your job?"
You can't have it.
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#28
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From: Ret. B-767 Captain
I'm in favor of it. There is no valid reason why, if a pilot is fit and medically qualified, he or she cannot operate as captain above age 65.
This is very much a matter of get-out-of-my-seat, old man, I-want-your-job.
Those who think their career progress is stymied by those above them failing to retire seem to be quite willing to ignore the premise of seniority, when it suits them. Seniority is everything, they say, until they want what someone more senior has: a job. Get out of my way, old man, I want your job. You were here longer, you served longer, you have more experience, and you've earned your position more than I, yet you must go so that I may get what I'm entitled to: your job. Make room for me, old man, because I'm entitled.
No, if the captain is able to do his job, then he is able to do his job.
Will it do much, if anything, to alter the state of the imaginary "pilot shortage?" No. No more than dumbing down or reducing the qualifications for entry level pilots with their ATP. It may alter timing slightly, but not the numbers.
I was in cockpits with flight engineers when the age was raised from 60 to 65, and I flew with pilots who retired from a pilot seat to the FE seat at age 60, then moved back to the left seat when the age was raised to 65. The same loud objections and whining echoed off the heavens when the age was raised to 65, and we saw no elevated safety issues connected to the change. Just entitled sniveling curtain climbers who felt that they were owed something by those above them getting out of their way. The same get-out-of-my-way, old man, I-want-your-job entitlement then. I saw those same captains reach 65 and move back to the FE seat. The tired argument that they'd be sick of flying and sick of earning a living and worn out at age 60 didn't hold true at age 65. They would have been quite capable of continuing as captains, should the retirement age have been 67.
I got a union communique recently urging me to protest the drive to age 67. I disagree. I'm for it. Wholeheartedly. I was for raising the age to 65, and I'm for raising it to 67.
This is very much a matter of get-out-of-my-seat, old man, I-want-your-job.
Those who think their career progress is stymied by those above them failing to retire seem to be quite willing to ignore the premise of seniority, when it suits them. Seniority is everything, they say, until they want what someone more senior has: a job. Get out of my way, old man, I want your job. You were here longer, you served longer, you have more experience, and you've earned your position more than I, yet you must go so that I may get what I'm entitled to: your job. Make room for me, old man, because I'm entitled.
No, if the captain is able to do his job, then he is able to do his job.
Will it do much, if anything, to alter the state of the imaginary "pilot shortage?" No. No more than dumbing down or reducing the qualifications for entry level pilots with their ATP. It may alter timing slightly, but not the numbers.
I was in cockpits with flight engineers when the age was raised from 60 to 65, and I flew with pilots who retired from a pilot seat to the FE seat at age 60, then moved back to the left seat when the age was raised to 65. The same loud objections and whining echoed off the heavens when the age was raised to 65, and we saw no elevated safety issues connected to the change. Just entitled sniveling curtain climbers who felt that they were owed something by those above them getting out of their way. The same get-out-of-my-way, old man, I-want-your-job entitlement then. I saw those same captains reach 65 and move back to the FE seat. The tired argument that they'd be sick of flying and sick of earning a living and worn out at age 60 didn't hold true at age 65. They would have been quite capable of continuing as captains, should the retirement age have been 67.
I got a union communique recently urging me to protest the drive to age 67. I disagree. I'm for it. Wholeheartedly. I was for raising the age to 65, and I'm for raising it to 67.
#29
If you want to do something about the “pilot shortage” then you need to fix it at entry level and not at the exit level.
There may be some but very few 55-57 entry level pilots that can still put in 10 years.
So you’re extending the existing group with the highest seniority that are:
Pointless.
If anything lower the age to hold an ATP by two years.
There may be some but very few 55-57 entry level pilots that can still put in 10 years.
So you’re extending the existing group with the highest seniority that are:
- the most expensive
- enjoying the most vacation
- bidding the lowest block hours.
- could only fly domestic (unless IACO raises)
Pointless.
If anything lower the age to hold an ATP by two years.
#30
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Raising the mandatory retirement age to 67 will have no bearing on the "pilot shortage," but then it isn't about a pilot shortage at all. It's about allowing those who are experienced and are willing and able, to continue working, should they choose.
Encouraging others to enter aviation is another matter completely.
Encouraging others to enter aviation is another matter completely.
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