Age 67
08-02-2023 | 11:20 AM
#51
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
IMO, 121.346 nothing more than a knee jerk reaction, did nothing to enhance safety of operation. COLGAN accident was a result in Non-conformance training and checking. Line training in other parts of the world is based on a minimum number of sectors rather than number of hours. It seems that US carriers’ training is reminiscent to the puppy mills that flight schools were referred to… Train em and get em out on the line.
08-05-2023 | 03:30 AM
#52
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Hang on a minute. You're pulling a Juan Browne here: jumping to conclusions or strongly suggesting possibilities before the dust settles on an event or crew. Major US carriers, including DAL and UAL had fuselage wrinkling events from hard landings on the 757/767 going back to the early 80s. Hiring got tougher and easier in waves over the last 40 years, but a more or less constant drumbeat of wrinkled forward fuselages on these planes has been happening from places like mine to nice companies with big budget training programs. As you say, youre a 767 instructor. Im sure, like many of us, you reviewed the NTSB and EASA data on this type when you moved on to the airframe. You probavbly did so again when you took an instructor position. On this specific type of event I'm not sure whether or not we see correlation.
I'm a fan of the 1500hr rule. I think we can look at air safety in the US and see that it has made a difference. Where I push back is wading into this mishap, this crew and their investigation. Not cool.
I'm a fan of the 1500hr rule. I think we can look at air safety in the US and see that it has made a difference. Where I push back is wading into this mishap, this crew and their investigation. Not cool.
"Yes I do think United has taken a separate path to hiring. Routinely selecting candidates with 1,700 hours, zero TPIC and no college degree is a United hiring practice only."
over there the bets are on the "wonder pilot" that was a former FA now at the controls of a 767 on OE and probably didn't flare or pushed the wrong way. Don't shoot the messenger.
08-06-2023 | 08:49 AM
#53
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08-06-2023 | 01:28 PM
#54
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From: B-737NG preferably in first class with a glass of champagne and caviar
One day, Skippy, you’ll have that big watch sitting at the bar, sipping on that Shirley Temple with true umbrella in the glass, wishing you could be in COMMAND of the commuter. Keep tapping your heals three times… I want to be a captain 3 times. It may come true.
Anyway… parents need to be more watchful of their children living in their basements… just saying.
08-08-2023 | 07:13 AM
#55
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Many jobs with significant responsibility and judgement requirements often have a hard or de facto age minimum... Hertz won't even rent you a compact car under age 25, and it's not like they don't *want* your money.
Very few folks would practically be able to qualify for a regular ATP under age 23 anyway. It's mathematically possible, and done occasionally, but it would take some real hustle. And skipping college... we're not at a point where the US industry is totally poop-canning the degree requirement. I'd say it's more like they're waiving it for the duration of the crisis, and it will be back eventually, at least as a competitive minimum.
08-12-2023 | 09:33 PM
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I like the R-ATP model... you can gain some 121 experience under age 23 but with a more experienced PIC on board.
Many jobs with significant responsibility and judgement requirements often have a hard or de facto age minimum... Hertz won't even rent you a compact car under age 25, and it's not like they don't *want* your money.
Very few folks would practically be able to qualify for a regular ATP under age 23 anyway. It's mathematically possible, and done occasionally, but it would take some real hustle. And skipping college... we're not at a point where the US industry is totally poop-canning the degree requirement. I'd say it's more like they're waiving it for the duration of the crisis, and it will be back eventually, at least as a competitive minimum.
Many jobs with significant responsibility and judgement requirements often have a hard or de facto age minimum... Hertz won't even rent you a compact car under age 25, and it's not like they don't *want* your money.
Very few folks would practically be able to qualify for a regular ATP under age 23 anyway. It's mathematically possible, and done occasionally, but it would take some real hustle. And skipping college... we're not at a point where the US industry is totally poop-canning the degree requirement. I'd say it's more like they're waiving it for the duration of the crisis, and it will be back eventually, at least as a competitive minimum.
08-13-2023 | 12:26 PM
#57
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True, but once things slow down eventually, they have to weed out applicants. Degree is just as good a criteria as other things.
08-14-2023 | 03:37 AM
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08-14-2023 | 08:48 PM
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I am all for championing one's right to preserve and exercise their seniority, be it the bottom number or the most senior pilot. I did not like ALPA taking a stance against 67 and soliciting my support for that stance. I wasn't polled, it was just expected that ALPA knows best. Well, I personally disagree and wrote my Congressional reps saying as much. If the opportunity presents itself to have two more years of working 7 months a year, full healthcare, and ending most legs with an umbrella in my drink I can support that. Whether I do it is another question but It would provide an option to exercise the seniority that we all have worked hard to get. I don't begrudge anybody that stays to 65 or goes out early. That's the beauty of the career, it's not one size fits all.
08-15-2023 | 12:32 AM
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Are you sure about that? The requirement went away during the Great Pilot Shortage of The Late 1990s. It came back when hiring slowed to a trickle and applications far exceeded available jobs.
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